What happened to the sex in Outlander season two?

Written By: Janet Reynolds



We all knew when we started Season 2 of Outlander that eventually we would have to face #Droughtlander — that long interminable break while Ron D. Moore et al work their magic to create Season 3. What we did not realize was that we were going to have to live through #SexDroughtlander as well.

Yes, after a groundbreaking Season 1, a season in which we actually saw sex from a woman's point of view (!) and the development of how a healthy sex life can be a critical part of a relationship between equals (!), we have now been subjected to, well, not much of anything. Which leaves me asking the question I think I can safely say thousands of Outlander fans around the world are asking: When did Outlander become Everybody Loves Raymond?

Let me start by saying I loved Everybody Loves Raymond. A highly popular, award-winning American sitcom, it ran for almost nine years, following the trials and and tribulations of Ray Barone, a sportswriter, and his long-suffering wife, Debra. His in-laws and brother lived nearby. The storylines were often based on real-life encounters by the lead actor/writer, comedian Ray Romano. It was funny; it was light. It was, above all, a continuation of the marriage stereotype so often portrayed on TV, which worked perfectly well for what it was.

In total, wonderfully refreshing contrast, Outlander broke down barriers in Season 1. Thanks to the amazing source material by Diana Gabaldon, we saw how a healthy relationship develops. Sex — caring, interesting, consensual, focused-on-each-other's-needs sex — was an important part of that. Sex was a way for Jamie and Claire to find and discover each other, a way to reconnect after a fight, a way to show their love — literally — for each other.

And so we had memories and images like this...


This post-coital calm occurred after their amazing make-up sex in "The Reckoning," a moment of true sexual power for Claire and just one of the many examples in which Outlander in Season 1 was groundbreaking from a sexual point of view. It was sex from a woman's perspective, something notably, pathetically, lacking in TV today. It was lady porn (you can read my whole theory in my first blog post) and part of what made Season 1 outstanding.

Enter Season 2. Yes, Jamie has had to get over his PTSD and kudos to the writers for tackling that head-on in the TV version. And yes, Jamie and Claire have a lot going on in France and aren't totally comfortable with their roles and that deceptive way of living seeps into their relationship. And then, yes, we finally have the horrible miscarriage and all of the emotional healing that must occur for both Claire and Jamie. That is all important and the Outlander crew did an impressive job portraying these important story arcs well.

But dear God, we also know that sex is a critical way for Jamie and Claire to reconnect. And we also know that they have to conceive a child somewhere this season. Based on what we've seen so far — because with two episodes left, Claire must be pregnant with Bree at this point — the union that created her was done offstage, our only hint that one scene where Jamie picks Claire up and carries her to the bed. Fade to black. You could almost hear women screaming as the fade to black occurred. Are you kidding me? We're not going to get any? (Because who are we kidding....when Jamie and Claire are having sex, we're right there with them vicariously.)

Apparently in season 2, the Outlander writers decided Jamie's question in "The Wedding" only had one answer.



Which brings us to the supposed reason why sex has been noticeably absent this season. Moore and others in the cast have been selling the almost-sexless season this way: We don't do gratuitous sex, they've said enough times to be supremely annoying. We only do sex as part of a storyline; it needs to push along the plot in some way. Even Diana Gabaldon sold this storyline in this recent tweet as the whining about sex grew louder.




To this "official" storyline,  I offer up Exhibit A: the opening to "The Pricking of My Thumbs." Yes, that was Season 1, but if not doing gratuitous sex is one of the producers' underlying missions, it should be consistent from season to season, right? What "storyline" did that move along exactly? Don't get me wrong. That scene alone was a major reason I wrote my first post proclaiming Outlander's role in singlehandedly raising awareness about women's interest in sex. (Here's your second chance to take a break and read about lady porn.) But storyline? We already understood that Claire and Jamie are young lovers and that they're using sex as one of the ways to get to understand/know each other, etc. We didn't need that scene to know Jamie is interested in giving pleasure as much as he is in receiving it. Just sayin'.

So that claim just doesn't ring true. Indeed, it feels a little dismissive, almost as if they feel the fans are a little one-dimensional both in their understanding of Claire and Jamie's relationship and in their own needs to see some sex. We actually love these books and show for a whole host of other, more complex reasons. You don't obsessively reread and rewatch Outlander just for the sex, people. Don't wave your hands at us as if we're teens in love.

Now, DIA is admittedly a complicated book with many plot lines to weave together. And to pull it together for TV-only viewers must be even trickier. But in a show with 13 episodes — that's 810 minutes with our upcoming bonus finale — you would think they could figure out a way to feature a few minutes of Clamie time. (Thank you, editor Kendra, for that amazing phrase in our pre-post chat.)

The problem with the choice the producers have made this season is that they've taken a step back into marriage stereotype — that once you get married, life is just too busy to take time for each other, for exploring this important part of relationship. And that's just sad. It's also less feminist. It's a step backward.

The producers/writers claim the complicated story doesn't leave time for sex scenes. I'm no screenwriter so I'm sure this suggestion will be shot down. But we could have done less with Claire-as-dentist in what was otherwise a wonderful episode, "Vengeance Is Mine," (not coincidentally, one written by Diana Gabaldon), and inserted 2-3 minutes of Claire and Jamie having an intimate reunion. You might have even placed it around the lovely Gaelic prayer Jamie says over Claire's sleeping body.

The overall lack of sex and intimacy is particularly frustrating for book readers (and before commenters yell that there's a difference between intimacy and sex, please know I know that). Part of what is so wonderful about how sex is portrayed in this show is that it is intimate and personal rather than simply groping or, to use a phrase bandied about by producers, gratuitous.  Book readers know that DIA actually contains sex scenes. Not as many as in Outlander or other books in the series perhaps but they are there! And they are important! They show the evolution of young lovers into a newly-married couple for whom sex still remains a part of their lives.

An example for those of you who haven't read the book: It's after Prestonpans so it's not a spoiler other than the obvious — that it's a sex scene. Jamie has taken Claire away to sleep separately from the men. It is not long into the snuggling, though, when Jamie's interest in Claire, er, arises.

"Surely not," I said, amused despite my tiredness. "Jamie, you must be half-dead."

He laughed tiredly, holding me close with one large, warm hand on the small of my back.

"A lot more than half, Sassenach. I'm knackered, and my cock's the only thing too stupid to know it. I canna lie wi' ye without wanting you, but wanting's all I'm like to do."

Fast forward a bit for space here and also, you know, to echo TV time....

"Claire, I need you," he whispered. "I need ye so."

Without the hampering petticoats, it was easy.  I felt as though I were floating myself, rising without volitions, drifting my skirts up the length of his body, settling over him like a cloud on a hilltop, sheltering his need.

His eyes were closed, head laid back, the red gold of his hair tumbled coarsely in the leaves. But his hands rose together and settled surely on my waist, resting without weight on the curve of my hips.

My eyes closed as well, and I felt the shapes of his mind, as surely as I felt those of his body under me; exhaustion blocked our every thought and memory; every sensation but the knowledge of each other. 

"Not...long," he whispered. I nodded, knowing he felt what he did not see, and rose above him thighs powerful and sure under the stained fabric of my gown. 

Once, and twice, and again, and once again, and the tremor rose through him and through me, like the rising of water through the roots of a plant and into its leaves.

The breath left him in a sigh, and I felt his descent into unconsciousness like the dimming of a lamp. I fell beside him, with barely time to draw the heavy folds of the cloak up over us before the darkness filled me, and I lay weighted to the earth by the heavy warmth of his seed in my belly. We slept." 

If that doesn't make you a book reader, I don't know what will. Trust me, there's more where that came from.

But here's the real issue behind (Mostly) Sexless Season 2: The TV show producers set up expectations in Season 1 that they were breaking new ground in this category, that they recognized Claire was a strong, smart and — yes — sexual woman with power. And now they've just mostly left us hanging. We've seen plenty of Claire smarts and strength this season, but the third part of the tripod is missing. The first season liberated a whole lot of women viewers and then....left them hanging in Season 2.

Season 1 helped a whole lot of women rediscover their sexuality, to openly discuss sex and potentially enjoy sex, or learn more about sex and sex in relationship and sex as relationship and....that list could go on. The producers opened the doors, invited people in and then left the room.....

Here's hoping they remember how to open the door for Season 3.

What have you thought about the lack of sex scenes in Season 2? Has this hampered your enjoyment of Outlander, overall, or did you simply not need it? 

188 comments

  1. I don't know how much power Sam/Caitriona have in the writers room, but is there the possibility that Sam asked for a chance to show his acting without the sex? I think he's been so objectified (and little wonder)and would perhaps like to be taken a little more seriously? Just a thought.

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    1. Mary - I most heartily concur with you. Thank you so much for voicing this so eloquently...

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    2. Mary and Cherokee1020--that's an interesting idea. I never think of their sex lives as objectifying myself. It's so genuine and so much a part of their relationship that I see it as adding depth rather than making them less human. But who knows why it's been such a dearth?

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    3. Interesting thought. You might be on to something.

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    4. I wonder if they (the writers and RDM) thought the sex and the emphasis on how well it's done has "taken away" from everything else on the show, thus hurting its reception some in the eyes of the critics. I would disagree with that, but I just wonder.

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    5. I think all of you have a point. Actors didn't want to do it. The only thing really gratuitous in Season 1 was the female nudity. Real "bodice ripping"! Jenny's bodice ripped open by BJR and Claire's. We got a good look at Geillis's breasts in her naked pagan dance bit. All really not necessary. That bothered me. I know it is a brutal time and women were largely treated as property but...That was too much. There may have been a backlash from that that made Cait just as uneasy as Sam or producers to continue with more explicit love scenes.

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  2. Excellent blog post... hope the powers that be read it as well :)

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    1. From your fingers to God's ears---we can only hope! If you're a book reader, you know we've got at least one more shot for something before the season ends! Let's all think positively!

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  3. Your lips to God's ears, Janet. This is incredible. Sharing with EVERY SINGLE SHOW-WATCHING FRIEND of mine who has expressed this question. As my buddy Kris said "if this show is going PG-13 on me, I'm out" (spoiler: no she's not. She just talks a big game).

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    1. Ashley--seriously! All my obsessenach friends are going what the hell? The producers better deliver SOMETHING by season's end or it ain't gonna be pretty!

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  4. The most romantic, love-filled moment was Jamie sweeping Claire into his arms, turning toward the bed, and the room fading to black. THAT, good people, is romance. Too much sex on screen is superfluous and unnecessary, IMHO. Personally, I am tired of the whole "woman power" and finallywomenhaveavoiceinsexthankstoClaire nonsense, but that's another topic. I agree with Mary Anderson above. Sam Heughan is a brilliant actor, with far more to him than his knees and chest. Don't woman rankle at being objectified and treated as merely sex objects? Well, all things being equal, what about Sam. I do not need to see them have sex to know they have it. Can we have nothing left to our imaginations - as The Books allow us...

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    1. Cherokee1020--I agree that was a lovely romantic moment....Sometimes less is definitely more in this department. Couldn't agree more. But they did set some expectations with season one that we would have SOME physicality. And also the books are filled with all variations on the intimacy/romance/sex theme. This season has just been too one-dimensional in that arena I think. But totally agree re Sam--I just don't think this is an either-or situation. We can have both--his amazing acting on all levels.

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  5. Great post, Janet -- although I am trying to get over all the references to "Tri-pods" and "hanging" without explicit visions of Sam popping into my head...errr...bed. I will not objectify Sam Heughan. I will not objectify Sam Heughan... 😄

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  6. Excellent blog. I completely agree - they reeled us in and now have left us hanging! I am expecting a monumental sex scene in the finale, as close to the book as possible. If this doesn't happen, I'll be monumentally disappointed, and I think many people will turn off the show. I will continue to watch it, since I'm a super fan overall, and I am dying to see the printshop scene in S3 but I think they've gone too far in practically taking the sex out of the show this season. Very disappointing.

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    1. Judy so with you on this. It's one thing to cut back because DIA has a lot of action. It's another entirely to take us cold turkey--especially when Diana Gabaldon makes it so clear that she considers sex an important part of relationships.

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    2. I think the love/goodbye scene in the season finale was a big disappointment. It was hurried as if no time left to do it the justice
      It deserved. They were saying goodbye forever. He was insistin on dying
      And she was going back to Frank and to raise the love of her life's baby without him. Then we have that half ass goodbye scene. It was my first big disappointment in the show. Except for Ron's praise of Tobias
      And the down play of Sam's incredible talent and commitment to his craft. That was not love it was a quickie IMO...we have been getting the man's perspective on sex forever,now we have great emotion and freedom from the women's perspective and now with success Ron wants to suddenly change it after fans have supported it this far. Their relationship is the center of the story. It is what drives the story forward and without the intimacy they share what is it? I don't just mean sex.

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    3. I think the love/goodbye scene in the season finale was a big disappointment. It was hurried as if no time left to do it the justice
      It deserved. They were saying goodbye forever. He was insistin on dying
      And she was going back to Frank and to raise the love of her life's baby without him. Then we have that half ass goodbye scene. It was my first big disappointment in the show. Except for Ron's praise of Tobias
      And the down play of Sam's incredible talent and commitment to his craft. That was not love it was a quickie IMO...we have been getting the man's perspective on sex forever,now we have great emotion and freedom from the women's perspective and now with success Ron wants to suddenly change it after fans have supported it this far. Their relationship is the center of the story. It is what drives the story forward and without the intimacy they share what is it? I don't just mean sex.

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  7. Fair enough for the folks who don't care to watch graphic sex on television. There can still be sexual tension, attraction, all the eye contact and touch of the first season has only crept back in the last couple of episodes. They showed sex twice in Paris, the first time there was nudity but also a quick fade to black, and the next time Claire was fully robed and we just saw them get started. No passion between those acts. That's what I miss. Although I also enjoyed the beautifully done scenes of lovemaking. They ARE married, aye?

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  8. Fair enough for the folks who don't care to watch graphic sex on television. There can still be sexual tension, attraction, all the eye contact and touch of the first season has only crept back in the last couple of episodes. They showed sex twice in Paris, the first time there was nudity but also a quick fade to black, and the next time Claire was fully robed and we just saw them get started. No passion between those acts. That's what I miss. Although I also enjoyed the beautifully done scenes of lovemaking. They ARE married, aye?

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    1. Right on Diane.....I'm all for hints. But part of what I enjoyed about the first season was how tasteful and human their lovemaking was when it was shown. We should have one this season for sure. The come back to me Jamie pregnancy scene was beautiful but much has happened to them since then and showing that they are still a couple in all its forms is critical to the relationship Gabaldon created in the books and to what they've set up on the show.

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    2. I was the only person I knew who didn't like the come back to me scene. It started out SO beautifully, but I was shocked by the show's very first fade-to-black in the bedroom at such a crucial time in the relationship and in the midst of what could have been groundbreaking sensual prego sex, complete with the show's previous hallmark: gratification all around. I didn't last until the picking Claire up and carrying her to bed scene at Lallybroch (I considered that graphic sex by then), I screamed are you kidding me? right there in Paris. You don't even want to know what I said to the Bonnie Prince when he deprived us of even a lingering afterglow.
      (I also second everything Kendra says below).

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  9. Sex is a large part of the books and it was a large part of season one. As much as you want to say it's superfluous and exploitative (it's not . . . certainly in the way it was so respectfully treated), a large part of the reason season 2 has felt rather cold in comparison to season one is that it has been. It's been literally frigid. And no, Diana, we don't have to stand witness, but there hasn't really been much true intimacy, either. We're losing the heart of the story.

    Janet . . . brava, girl!

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    1. Couldn't agree more Kendra! Jamie and Claire are the center---for the books AND TV--and the producers needs to get back there ASAP for this series to continue to be successful for Starz.

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  10. Cherokee 1020...please understand that I am speaking from a place of guilt over all the times I have been spellbound by the sound of Sam's voice or have replayed certain scenes in season one until my dog is about ready to bite me if he has to listen to that one more time. I try valiantly to put myself in Sam's place when what I really want is to be in his arms...(I'd settle for the same room!). No I'm not innocent, I am as guilty as anyone. But, I would certainly respect him in the morning!!!

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    1. Mary.....you have just written what A LOT of women imagine.....Brave move. Thank you! and Thank you for reading!

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  11. I agree with your blog and miss the sexual tension and relationship they developed in Season 1. Season 2 has been disappointing in the lack of that loving relationship's development despite the difficult situations and disappointments. Their sexual relationship has always been a way back for them despite all the ups and downs in their lives. As shown in the books these characters both need and enjoy this part of their marriage. This has been lost in Season 2 and will cause some fans to stop watching and go back to the books for what is missing in the tv show. Both are wonderful actors and will do well no matter what material is given to them. But I am hopefully looking for more in Season 3.

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    1. I'm with you Susan. I'm hoping the producers get back on track and realize the fans need to be heard on this topic. It's critical to the story and their relationship....

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    2. And I think the intimacy is critical to the success of the series!

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  12. Great blog, Janet. I am one of the one's who is in constant defense that we really do not need to see the sex scenes in order to feel their intimacy. I agree with DG that they are not royalty and we need not be present for the conception. BUT your piece definitely sheds so much light on the consistency, or lack of it, into season 2. We were able to witness such tender, intimate moments in S1 that just aren't present in S2. Kind of a bait and switch move. Let's hope that we will see a little more in these last two episodes.

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    1. Denise
      Yes, part of the problem with this season's approach is the expectation issue. They laid it on thick season one (and look at the EW cover announcing season two???? Hello??? Who thought after that there would be virtually no sex for the whole season? Managing expectations is an important part of any show and they kind of blew it this season. Thank god for the books ! :)

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  13. I agree with you Janet - also they totally sold it as sexual with the ads etal - I mean who can forget the EW cover??? I actually thought that went over the top really... then to have this season with virtually nothing - I hope they don't rob us of their last time together before she goes back through the stones like they did last season with the hot springs scene (or lack there of) (sigh) Ha. I love the show either way. But it is Jamie and Claire...

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    1. JEssica

      The EW cover is a wonderful example of setting up one expectation and then totally killing it... that's part of why this lack of sex has been so annoying...I love the show too. Don't get me wrong. But come on people! We need one good scene before they're parted and #droughtlander begins!

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  14. Here! Here! Agree 150%! Thank you for writing this. They have missed great opportunities for intimate sexual scenes. 208 could have/should have shown Jamie and Claire sharing themselves with each other after all of their loss in Paris, not gratuitous and it would have moved the story forward. But, we get potatoes and more of Leery. Really?! I don't know if they are trying to gain more of a male audience with the war story, but if they are it's not working. The books are filled with great sex, which is an honest part of the whole story, so why leaving it as a side note this season it doesn't seem like a continuation of the same story as S1. Rubbing feet, pecks on the forehead, hugging, all good, but not showing the powerful sexual connection between these two. The dark blue reconnection sex for Jamie's healing was one of the most sensual scenes ever! Then, that's it. I mean really, if the writers and producers all think sex is just routine after being married a year or two, I feel sorry for them! I would expect some good parting sex in Ep13 but after the rest of the season, not holding my breath.

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    1. Ann--I'm hanging on for parting sex too (and know as a book reader that it is possible) but yes yes yes to what you say! Leery is just another spot I would have shaved off some time and inserted some Jamie and Claire intimacy instead! Please!

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    2. Janet you are so right and we can only wish the producers will take this to heart.
      Unfortunately, I think the producers know, as we all well know, almost all book fans will never really stop watching the show no matter what they do, it is but an idle threat.
      As someone who found out about the books (and since swept away to the realm of Outlander) thanks to the show, I know that what drew me in was the first 8 episodes which seem to be mostly inline with the book, so I was taken by this unusual plot and charterers not to mention the ep. 8 cliff hanger. So, I am forever grateful to Ron Moore for taking this on but at the same time I wish someone else has. After reading the books I was mostly concerned with the choices to diminish Jaime's char., have Clair be the leader and thinker and him be like her child (I know I'm exaggerating but bare with me). Also, the choice to spend time on the watch and the search instead of having an ep. of healing in the monastery in the end of S1, meant we had to endure Jaime's process for several episodes in S2 (remember how DIA starts in Le Havre - sex scene!). This goes on and on, with the overplayed focus on Frank and Black Jack, as well as Paris charterers and politics which were not all very necessary, and recently the army training/combat themes and male comradery. All these choices have just used up the precious time allocated to the season, so there is not time for Jamie and Claire to spend time together. It also seems like the 2 people steering this ship in the most crucial part (breaking the story) - Ron and Ira - don't care for Jaime being as strong and great as he is in the books and prefer focusing on other themes and charterers than those who made the books so great. I also feel like they are trying too hard to make this show about those other things and giving up the story's main assets and attraction - Jaime & Claire.
      Perhaps this is a case of the actors pushing back on these scenes, but that could have been handled in different ways, like avoid nudity.
      To me it's just what Ron & Ira care about, and since they included it in S1 they don't think it's necessary anymore. I fear that without J&C at the center of it all this becomes a not so great show to watch for non book fans, so I hope we will indeed get to see S3 & 4 and more, cause hey, at least as far as I am concerned I'll take anything to do with outlander [even when i don't like it:)].

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    3. I don't know what the Hebrew name is, but just wanted to say that I don't think you were exaggerating the way Jamie and Claire's characters were portrayed (Jamie as the child), it was even creepy. I think everything in your comments makes perfect sense and certainly explains a number of things that had mystified me until now.

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    4. I felt it was especially jarring in the transition from France back to Lallybroch. She tells him about the miscarriage and that she slept with the king. Now let's go grow potatoes at Lallybroch and give the fans a peek of your knee. There was a pivotal scene in the book where they finally find their way back to each other after months of separation following the miscarriage. I know the writers had to condense a lot to fit the book into 13 episodes, but how can we spend so much time on Jamie's PTSD and skip merrily over what would tear most marriages up? All we got was Jamie seemingly OK with her sleeping with the king with a comment about her using her body to save him like he used his to save her from BJR. We needed to see how they found their way back to each other before returning to Lallybroch. And then we spend so much time on the Old Fox and "Leghair"?

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  15. "Jamie picks Claire up and carries her to the bed. Fade to black. You could almost hear women screaming as the fade to black occurred." -- maybe i'm a minority here, but I don't miss the sex at all this season.
    The insinuation is more subtle... the carrying her to bed was perfect... leave it for the imagination.
    Come on, we KNOW they have sex... I personally don't have to see it every time.
    Sex this season was with a point as they warned before it started; it was when they FINALLY reconnected again after Jamie's trauma... you can imagine they have sex after that moment but do we need to see it all? But then comes the fight, the miscarriage, who knows how long until Claire was ready again? Not to mention they went on the boat back to Scotland right after pretty much, and we know how Jamie handles boats.
    Sure they spend time at Lallybroch, and yes most likely they had sex in that time. Maybe there could have been a moment where they could have shown that after the France ordeal they were fine again, but ok they didn't and that is fine too.
    And then comes the traveling with the army... I'm sure there's moments where they can but there is other stuff going on, plus showing them having sneaky sex or whatever is just filler. Cause what's coming up is much more important!

    Sex scenes are awkward as hell to shoot, i'm sure for Sam and Cait as well. So if it's not needed why do it?
    i think the little intimate moments between J&C are more important. The looks, the touches, the prayer !!! They have grown as a couple and this season shows it.
    If non book readers are missing sex, they are missing the *story* if you ask me. Cause the story is deeper than just sex. For me the show has the same feel as the books, different, but the same in essence and that is all that matters to me.

    Plus there's lots more sex to look forward to with Bree and Roger... and with J&C coming back to each other...

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      I totally agree we don't have to see the sex to know it happens. And I love the intimate moments--the small kisses, glances, etc. But they established this show as groundbreaking on a lot of levels last season--strong, smart female lead, a woman confident in her sexual power, a woman with an equal partner, a partner interested in giving the woman pleasure and in creating a new partner paradigm for the time period. It was a long list and this season, they cut some of it out, which I think lessens the strength of the show overall. And as a book reader, I know DG thought it was an important part of the deal too. But even if I hadn't read the books, I saw the EW cover and they CERTAINLY were selling sex in that one for the season......

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  16. I think this article is totally 150% right! STARZ is a premium cable channel, not network television. The lack of intimacy between Claire and Jamie is like hearing birds chirping! What the hell are Ron and company thinking, eliminating the love scenes altogether! I love the show and the books but we need a little less time wasted on trivial things and a little more time spent showing the love between Claire and Jamie. Especially after that EW cover, I was expecting so much more, and it's a little disappointing. Episode 211 should have included a love scene instead of Claire pulling teeth. I don't know what the issue is, but it's clear that there's an issue in the (lack of) intimacy department. STARZ went totally PG on us with Outlander and it's blatantly obvious. Almost like a bait and switch!

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    1. Melissa Ray you and I are in agreement. It's the bait and switch part that makes this more frustrating/annoying. If they hadn't broken the ground they broke in season one and had that EW cover, we would all likely be a little more relaxed.

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  17. I think part of any frustration about sex in the show has to do how the media has handled stories about the show. Almost every ad I've seen is hyper sexualized. Almost every article has Sam shirtless with breathless comments about his body. I think this has gone a long way in giving people the impression that there is continual sex throughout the show. I'm sure Sam gets a kick out of some of the sexual jokes and innuendo, but all these comments are said over and over again. It gets a tired. Also I agree about Sam being supported as a serious actor I'd hate to think some might overlook his incredible talent because they are just looking for him to perform the next sex scene.

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    1. Susan I agree about the media (and certain parts of the fandom if we're being honest) who just focus on the bodies generally. And Sam has only improved as an actor as he has grown into the part of Jamie. I am more and more impressed with him every episode. Still....that's a separate thing. The show and its story/characters are one thing--how the media etc handle it something else. One shouldn't dictate the other is my point.

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  18. Thank you for this well written article. It summarizes EXACTLY how i have felt watching S2. Left unsatisfied. I was irritated by Gabaldons flippant remark about royals. (thanks for dismissing a fan who has read the series 3 times since the show started. If i wanted to watch a TV14 version of Outlander...i wouldnt bother. What i can say about S2 is that my 10 yr old son can now watch it with me (mostly!) Is that the goal of Starz and Producers? A more family friendly show? Because i dont want to be able to watch it with my kids! WHY is it rated M this year? For a few swift gory shots? A few titty tassles?
    The series has so much talent and S1 was so refreshing BECAUSE of Jamie & Claires relationship! I think S2 felt lost and inconsistent most episodes. I sure hope by next Season the producers can figure out what kind of show they really want to make because Ive been left dazed and confused!

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  19. As a long time book fan, I am fine with Season 2 as is.
    1. I suspect that the season finale will bring a crescendo scene that leads to boxes of kleenex
    2. Having encountered so many gifs of season1 that degraded the beauty of what the cast and crew worked hard to create, I am fine with fade to black.
    3. Unless a scene serves to move the story forward, there isn't a need for it. So much of this season IS political intrigue, war and it's consequences, I don't think there was that many places to insert them.

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    1. Constance--it was admittedly a tougher book to include the more intimate moments---so much action. But I think they erred on the side of just leaving it out--so far anyway. Claire being a dentist is just one moment where they could have use those few minutes for a little more Claire and Jamie time.

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  20. Kudos to Janet Reynolds. Yes, yes, and absolutely yes to every bit of her article. In an interview a while back Cait said something to the effect that "now that they are married..." I think Cait's amazing, but no. The ongoing passionate, life affirming, sensual pleasure that Claire and Jaime take in each other is essential and integral both to their relationship THROUGHOUT their marriage and to the relationships of many of us, around the world, over time. Please, script writers, directors, producers..fully embrace ALL that has made Diana's books so beloved.

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    1. Piper---so true....and so borne out throughout the books. Being physical is part of who Claire and Jamie are as a couple and as individuals....and we're missing it this season!

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  21. Which do you want cast and crew to spend more time on: filming sex scenes or story/plot scenes?

    The Entertainment cover is misleading us to think that part 1 in Paris they are having hot sex. Sex sells in advertising. The fact we are still talking about the cover, cast and the STORY tells the people involved with the cover decision job well done. The cast and crew have 3 fewer episodes to cover more material than season 1 did with last material. Not to mention setting up none book viewers for tuning in for a third season. #DontEnvy Outlander staff, crews, and cast job with creating season 3 from Voyager.

    Quoting either or both Ron and/or Diana: "the book is the book and the show is the show." Enjoy them as they are presented.

    Didn't your parent or elder ever tell you whining is unattractive. 😉 I rather see Sam and Cait acting out storylines rather than sex scenes. I personally want more story: Alex & his illness and BJR passing info to Claire. Whole scene, where Claire's ordering Jamie to bed because he is sick in front of Prince Chuckie and other advisors. Could Sam pull off Jamie's red face blush to his ears? Tucking Jamie and Fergus into bed, well greased from medicated cough salve. No sex, but a great story scenes, not crucial to overall storyline. So probably will not happen. Going to go reread that section in DIA.

    Toodles!

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    2. Joanna I'm all for good storytelling too. It's one of the reasons I love Outlander so much; there's great storytelling everywhere. And DIA is a complicated book to bring to screen for sure. I just think they went too far in eliminating the intimacy that is so critical to Claire and Jamie's relationships.....hopefully season 3 gets back on track.

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  22. Read all books & season2 didn't really convey Jamie's&Claire's strong love&sexual bond,but all&all I'm happy with season 2.As OL has a huge female following,& Starz want more male audience.Most females (This includes me),love to look at Sam's body,I just get frustrated that the (Real Jamie) did not come across the first half of season 2.,Sam is a wonderful actor,just really hoping the writers will give him more to work with later as I appreciate his Jamie so much.Never mind about the sex scenes,but do bring it on later!!!

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      Don't get me wrong--I'm a fan of season 2 as well. I just think the producers missed the boat on this angle and that it's an important one to Claire and Jamie's ongoing relationship.

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  23. Firstly, I think the EW spread undermined the quality of the show. It went in the face of everything the cast and producers were telling us about the show to come. I found it a bit offensive that the story/show would be lowered to just sex. It is so much more than that.
    Yes, the sex in S1 was well done. So well done in fact that I feel the actors have really exposed themselves. Eeek. From not having done sex scenes like that before to such intimacy I think they are really incredible.
    Initially I was disappointed by the lack of intimacy in Season 2. I'm not talking about just the sex, rather about how J and C come back to each other and talk about things, ruminate the goings on in Paris and their own relationship. I particularly missed Jamie's sparkle and openness. I watched any interviews with the cast/producers/writers to try to understand what they were doing (with my favourite story!!). Sam Heughan said he wanted to play Jamie as a shadow of himself and it was a big risk that he was concerned would turn viewers off. My first reaction was that he was taking liberties with the character that served his own agenda as an actor and an artist and did not serve the interests of the story. But his complete sincerity and belief in what he was doing and his lack of ego won me over and I watched the show again from SH’s perspective. It started to work for me. When I watched it as an adaptation rather than expecting it to be a reproduction of the book I enjoyed it so much more.
    Eventually Jamie did get his sparkle back. I re-watched all 11 episodes in a 2 day binge and seeing them in quick succession I was able to follow the incremental recovery of Jamie. I am absolutely blown away by Sam Heughan’s meticulous attention to detail in portraying Jamie. I enjoy not only Jamie’s interaction with Claire but with other characters like Murtagh, Fergus and the Comte. (I also love Claire’s interaction with other characters; Caitriona Balfe is truly amazing the way she can be so different say with Mary than with the Comte or the King).
    Diana Gabaldon said someone once made a spreadsheet of all the sex in each book. I wonder if someone did a spreadsheet of the moments of intimacy (not just sex with penetration!) in S2 we would discover that there is a whole lot there.
    All that being said I cross my fingers that the final parting of Jamie and Claire is handled as well as in the book.
    One thing that does make me squirm is when in interviews Sam Heughan keeps saying that S2 depicts a “grown up relationship” compared to young love in S1 (Outlander Bingo), blah blah blah. I have been married for 25 years and I don’t believe, from my sample of 1, that sex and intimacy diminishes with the length of the relationship. As with Jamie and Claire, if you work on it together you can maintain the headiness of love.

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    1. As Diana says...the book is the book and the show is the show. Sam Heughan has delivered an amazingly nuanced performance that has as yet been sadly underrated. Part of the reason, perhaps, is that book Jamie is an intensely sexual being. No matter the circumstances, physical union with Claire is a necessity for him and restorative. He saw first hand, growing up, the power of finding one's soul mate including the sexual aspects. He wanted that...he waited for it and he revels in his lust for lack of a better word. Frankly, I'm not sure the ongoing intense physicality of their book relationship or book Jamie's frank and earthy appreciation of sex with Claire would translate from an adaption standpoint. For what it is worth, I also found the EW cover disturbing because it seemed untrue to both the book and the show. At the time, I wondered who made the decision to go that direction and how the actors felt about it.

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    2. I totally agree about Sam Heughan's acting and how impressively he's bringing book Jamie to life. It's been so amazing to watch him develop the character over the two seasons. I think your point about how "they're married now" is exactly what I mean--the producers have said that as one reason there's less sex/intimacy this season and yet I think that feeds into a stereotype that is not true and is a step back from the groundbreaking way they portrayed Claire and Jamie in season one....

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    1. That she did. Wonderfully. I can only add a brief question. Why is Claire suddenly wearing a nightgown after many months of sharing Jamie's bed intimately nude?

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  25. I really enjoyed the blog , what I miss is the building relationship which includes all the looks touches and yes the sex there were soooooooo many good scenes in the book they could have used. We get the intrigue, what we need is the Sam ,Claire connection. Thank you ladies it is a wonderful discussion .

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    1. Yes....the connection Tilly08. It's part of what makes us love these two characters and their relationship. It's gotten a little lost in the shuffle here

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  26. I really enjoyed the blog , what I miss is the building relationship which includes all the looks touches and yes the sex there were soooooooo many good scenes in the book they could have used. We get the intrigue, what we need is the Sam ,Claire connection. Thank you ladies it is a wonderful discussion .

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  27. Thank you for your excellent article. The passion that book Jamie and Claire feel for one another is not confined to the lust stage of their relationship. I cannot understand why the show opted to ignore the importance of sexual intimacy between Jamie and Claire. Their relationship, with ALL its facets, is the core of Outlander. The loving, passionate sex between equals described by Diana in the books is not gratuitous; those scenes are essential to an understanding of the depth of their connection to one another. (Pun kind of intended.) I hope the powers that be find a way back to exploring everything makes that core relationship so inspiring.

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    1. ABCD Outlander Fan----I'm with you! Hoping season 3 gets us back on track with these two!

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  28. Thank you for your excellent article. The passion that book Jamie and Claire feel for one another is not confined to the lust stage of their relationship. I cannot understand why the show opted to ignore the importance of sexual intimacy between Jamie and Claire. Their relationship, with ALL its facets, is the core of Outlander. The loving, passionate sex between equals described by Diana in the books is not gratuitous; those scenes are essential to an understanding of the depth of their connection to one another. (Pun kind of intended.) I hope the powers that be find a way back to exploring everything makes that core relationship so inspiring.

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  29. I agree, with everything, you said. Even in the last episode that,"Herself" wrote, in the book, when Jamie, tells Claire about talking to her while she was sleeping, that, "her dreams would ken the true of them." That happened after a love scene. Just re-read that chapter last night.

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    1. Eliz...I returned to the book too before writing my post precisely for the same reason you did--to see if I was imagining that that moment in the show could have been a moment with more intimacy too. And yup, the book delivered! Guess I'll be rereading it more to get through #sexdroughtlander!

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  30. I agree COMPLETELY! All I've heard are cop outs, especially since they have set up these expectations. It's reasonable to want to see such an important part of their relationship. Personally, it's one of the things I adore about that world. It's had a big, big impact on how I view sex, it's importance in a relationship, and our responsibility to try to provide for a partners sexual well-being. I do think they have shown that they are an intimate couple, but it's not the whole story. I think I am almost offended by the platitudes. If they didn't do that, I'd at least feel that they understood the problem and could fix it. Maybe it would be easier if they were honest and just said that the actors asked to reduce the number of scenes, or we didn't want to put our production time into those scenes, or we caught flack and had to step back... It's not going to happen, but I would feel better.

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    1. Waverly---yup the platitudes were annoying--it made it feel as if our feelings were silly; it was dismissive. Much better if they had just been straight with us. We are all adults and know that outside things happen sometimes that dictate different plans. You only have to listen to RDM's podcast to hear about what was supposed to happen in an episode that never did!

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  31. I agree COMPLETELY! All I've heard are cop outs, especially since they have set up these expectations. It's reasonable to want to see such an important part of their relationship. Personally, it's one of the things I adore about that world. It's had a big, big impact on how I view sex, it's importance in a relationship, and our responsibility to try to provide for a partners sexual well-being. I do think they have shown that they are an intimate couple, but it's not the whole story. I think I am almost offended by the platitudes. If they didn't do that, I'd at least feel that they understood the problem and could fix it. Maybe it would be easier if they were honest and just said that the actors asked to reduce the number of scenes, or we didn't want to put our production time into those scenes, or we caught flack and had to step back... It's not going to happen, but I would feel better.

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  32. Bravo, Janet! I am 60 and one of the things I have always loved about the books is the portrayal of a marriage where the partners are not sexless stereotypes once they are married. But, here we have a couple in their 20's, married less than a year, and they don't even seem intimate. Yes, I enjoy the sex scenes - they are very well done. But they don't even seem to turn to each other and hug or touch very much. I didn't feel this way the first season, but now I do, and I also feel that the character of Jamie has been lessened. Many of his ideas in the books have been given to Claire, and several times when they spoke to each other of their fears but "held each other up" have been turned into I-am-woman-I-am-strong Claire moments. (I am thinking of their talking to each other after the street attack and before the dinner in Paris. Book couple admit they are both shaken and afraid, but feel they must go on with the dinner, and enter the room holding hands. TV couple - Jamie wants to cancel the dinner, Claire says "no", sends him out of the room and squares her shoulders and enters alone.) Their lack of "partnership" diminishes his character, as the lack of sex diminishes their relationship. If we saw intimate touches, or kisses, or them holding each other, it would be different. To much time on changed plot lines and not enough on the main couple - at this point, why not go back to Frank? There certainly doesn't seem to be the soulmate connection we saw in Season 1.

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    1. I am beginning to wonder if the difference between book Jamie and show Jamie is Ron's characterization of him as The King of Men. He is far more nuanced.

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    2. Mrs. Schurr and Myrnaberry--good points. I do feel book couple is more united than TV couple at this point in the portrayal. And yes, some of the nuance therefore has gotten lost, which is too bad. On to season 3 and hoping!

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    3. Wow, Mrs Schurr, I'm reading down through the comments and there are so many I want to agree with. But you wrote my thoughts exactly! From first to last sentence, including question about Frank. Your description of the pre-dinner scene in Paris was a perfect example and I really appreciated that. The sad thing is, if one of the goal was to strengthen Claire by weakening Jamie, that just doesn't work - in life, literature, or on TV.

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  33. I couldn't have said it better, Janet! Can we start a petition to bring the sex back? I have been waiting over 30 years for a series like Outlander (as it was last year). Throw us a crumb for God's sake!

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    1. Maybe the powers that be will read this post and all the many comments here and on Facebook and heat things up a bit for season 3 ElizaRH! We can hope, right?

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  34. As I was watching it, I was cursing the dental scene. I listened to the podcast and I know it was in there so we knew what Claire was doing while Jamie was inside hashing out strategy. I could care less. I would have gladly given not only that up but also the scene that Ron felt they needed to add with Hugh and the soldier so that he didn't automagically just run into Jamie with the letter. I would have preferred him automagically method. There's plenty of time that could be set aside for the lovemaking. It doesn't have to be full-on thrusting body-exposed sex for god's sake, just leave the scenes in that Diana wrote. STOP skipping them. They are poetry the way she writes them. This story has many facets, and one of them is about a marriage WITH sex, intimacy, communication and exploration between two lovers...and how it sustains over time. I enjoy the action, history, intrigue, shocking twists and turns, but not at the expense of the sexual dimension. I like your write up Janet and the humor surrounding it.

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      YES YES YES on the dentist bit. And yes DG writes sex scenes like no other. The woman is a genius......

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    2. Beautifully said Joanne! I introduced OTL to My friend who has never read the books and doesnt do SM. She said she has been confused with some of the stories and doesnt feel the excitement of the show as she did in S1. She wondered why S2 felt so different. That being said, she is not comparing the books to the series, she is comparing S2 to S1. I have a question and i have read the books 3x....was it necessary to involve marys rape? I cant remember if anything came from that bit that made it necessary for future plot other than just more politics and a strange dinner scene.

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  35. Janet, thanks for an excellent posting. We know Jamie and Claire connect through sexual intimacy, and moreover, they heal each other through sexual intimacy. The timeline between Jamie's assault by BJR and the current episode is shorter than the book, hence the early episodes of S2 showing a physically distant Jamie. As DG has said, we don't need witnesses. Wait. I do.

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    1. Teddie---just asking for a little witnessing :) The show has a lot to convey in 13 episodes.....but throw us a bone people!

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  36. I don't know what that name is up there with the comment about Claire treating Jamie much like a child but I agree with it 100%. And with this blog post. This season has wasted episodes that couldn't afford to be wasted. I frankly could have done without all the PTSD and why did Claire need PTSD?!? ! ? She didn't get it in DIA, later yes but that's a spoiler so I won't elaborate. I feel Ron has gotten so far off course when it comes to the character of Jamie that some one needs to give him a map and set him back on the road! I miss not only the sex and intimacy this couple shares but I miss Jamie's sense of humor. They missed such a great opportunity to show not only his sense of humor but his intelligence when they switched up and in my opinion, totally botched the young Lord John scene by making it all Claire's idea and omitting the bodice ripping and Claire's absolute shock at what Jamie was doing. When I first read this scene all I could think was, Jesus H Roosevelt Christ she's going to kill him, and I laughed out loud! Ron is taking a story that while told from Claire's point of view, isn't just about her but about them and their relationship and is making it HER story and leaving Jamie by the side of the road and it's got to stop. We need to see them being intimate and sexual and touching and we need to see them as a team and not Claire leading Jamie around patting him on the head when she thinks he's done well. And they need to stop adding things to the story that aren't needed and wasting time on episodes that we could do without. I don't want to stop enjoying this show, I want to keep loving it but they are making it difficult and I'm more than a bit irked at them for that.

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    1. It has been interesting to see them give Claire some of the moments that in the book were Jamie's (the recent church episode where she takes charge of becoming the hostage is another example). I think they've erred a bit on the "we're making a show with a strong woman" perhaps.....and yet ironically have diminished the part of the couple that was so groundbreaking and, yes, strong for the woman.....here's hoping for season 3 getting that back on track. I'm with you!

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  37. Thank you Janet you have expressed in words everything I have felt about Outlander and the lack of love scenes in season 2. Season 1 was ground-breaking for women to have sex portrayed from a female perspective.
    There just did not appear to be any intimacy let alone sex in season 2. If there was ever a time for non-gratuitous sex it was Prestonpans, either before as a goodbye or after as a release but I knew it was never going to happen.
    Has Diana gotten skittish, is she now just back-pedalling to toe the party line with Starz. She says they are not the royal family and sure they may not be royalty (except to us) and maybe they don't need witnesses but Diana opened the bedroom door and invited us in only to slam the door in our faces.
    Not fair. Lynarm53

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  38. You will be responding to you readers all day! Yes, all of probably agree with you. But after looking at the fan videos made from Outlander sex scenes, I was grateful Sam and Caitroina even wanted to come back and make a second season! I don't know why it shocked me in this You Tube age, but is this what actors really sign on for? As a writer, I would hate to expose actors I have grown to love to this secondary market of UNPAID mini "movies". And if I did write that scene, there better be a verra good reason...just sayin'. No disrespect to the makers of some of those videos...some bring a tear to my eye.

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    1. Ahhhhh yes the age of social media. And a fandom that includes, as all fandoms do these days, some people who believe no part of any public person's life is private. I enjoy a good fan video too but I am constantly amazed by how far some people go into people's private lives and then what they will do with that (mis)information. I feel badly for Caitriona and Sam at times for sure. But the reality is that you don't even need actual footage to insert people into scenes.....photoshop has made it possible to do anything and, sadly, some fans do. I think all actors realize this is part of what they've signed on for when they decided to take on this career and, happy side of the coin, make it big.

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  39. Thank you for saying so eloquently what I've been thinking all season. In response to earlier comments:

    1) I agree about DG's comment being an offense to readers. Obviously, her in-depth descriptions gave readers "witness" to J & C's sexual intimacy. Why should TV viewers expect any less? I don't expect to see all of the sex she describes in the books, but even more fade-to-black is more acceptable than pecks on the cheek.

    2) It's possible that they are trying to give Sam's acting chops a chance to shine, but Cait's body has been on full display as well, and no one has said the same thing about her. I find it insulting to Sam to imply otherwise. (And, yes, the media and certain elements of the fandom don't help!)

    3) I would guess that the OL readership is a higher percentage of the show's fanbase than non-readers (esp. those of us who saw the show 1st & then devoured the books). So trying to pass the dearth of intimacy off as being "gratuitous" or typical of couples past the honeymoon stage is insulting and disingenuous.

    I jus hope that the powers that be are reading all of this and adjusting accordingly for S3/4. No, we won't stop watching, but happy viewers talk up shows and increase the numbers.

    Thanks again for a great blog!

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      Thanks for reading and for your insights as well. The DG reaction with her tweet particularly irritated me since she's the one who created these wonderful scenes and the wonderful relationship that is Jamie and Claire in the first place! I mean, seriously!

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  40. Excellent dialogue and insights. I agree and voiced my opinion early on in the season that it was a shame that the sexual aspect of their relationship was being diminished, not just by circumstances obviously (trauma, etc. notwithstanding), but those of us who know the stories/books and hold that essential component of their relationship as sacred and a powerful force between them as equals I think are missing it. I wonder if there was some other reason for removing much of it this season because of some of the fans' response in "deciding" the actors had the same relationship. Perhaps they are trying to down play that and therefore decided to film fewer beautiful, intimate scenes that include "sex" - it's unfortunate and disappointing from my perspective. I've loved both seasons, but have to say am sad that we have seen the production move away from those pieces. They are not gratuitous in any way. They are beautiful and a very important part of their love and their relationship and one of the things I personally love about the books. Particularly as they age together and still have that. Hope to see this change in future seasons.

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    1. Certainly the fandom is watched--it's no coincidence I think that Starz' new tagline is obsessable and I think I even read somewhere that Starz noted the obsession of Outlander fans when doing its rebranding. So it's entirely possible that the part of the fandom that has gone a little wild in prying into Sam and Cait's private lives and their potential real life relationship may have factored in to the season 2 decision-making. If that's true, though, they made a mistake because that's a small faction compared to the horde following and promoting the show generally and positively---and that a lot of that group (based on reaction to this blog post alone) is not happy!

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  41. Excellent dialogue and insights. I agree and voiced my opinion early on in the season that it was a shame that the sexual aspect of their relationship was being diminished, not just by circumstances obviously (trauma, etc. notwithstanding), but those of us who know the stories/books and hold that essential component of their relationship as sacred and a powerful force between them as equals I think are missing it. I wonder if there was some other reason for removing much of it this season because of some of the fans' response in "deciding" the actors had the same relationship. Perhaps they are trying to down play that and therefore decided to film fewer beautiful, intimate scenes that include "sex" - it's unfortunate and disappointing from my perspective. I've loved both seasons, but have to say am sad that we have seen the production move away from those pieces. They are not gratuitous in any way. They are beautiful and a very important part of their love and their relationship and one of the things I personally love about the books. Particularly as they age together and still have that. Hope to see this change in future seasons.

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  42. First off, thank you for your brave post. It has totally validated what I have been feeling as I watch Season 2. I am asking myself if it was the actual "act of sex" that I was frustrated about, or is it the environment that Jaime's spoken words created? These words or phrases, gave us a peek into Jaime's soul last season, and endeared him to us.I decided to listen to the book on Audibles. How many times it was there, his humor, his love, his appreciation, his AWARENESS of Claire with his words. Okay so this is the screen, and Sam has done a phenomenal job in using himself to project Jaime's thoughts. I blame this one on the writers. To me it made no sense whatsoever with how absorbed he was during the chess games, or how detached he was with the red dress scene.Did anyone else feel the distinct difference between Paris and the 1st episode back in Scotland? Once again, aware of Claire, words that move us again, that let us once again get a peek into Jaime's essence. But is it too late now? Or would a good "sex scene" now feel too "gratuitous? Okay-done with rant. Thoughts? Or am I off in left field? Sharon

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      I think you raise some good points for sure. In part Jamie and Claire were "off" in their relationship because of what they were trying to do--they're not deceitful people by inclination I think so the whole lie to people all the time thing in Paris really affected them as people and as a couple. Scotland is literally home to them--as people and as a couple--so they immediately seemed more natural there generally, this even though they were still trying to change history. I don't think a good sex scene would be gratuitous at all at this point--I think it's critical to the separation we know is coming and will be a BIG MISTAKE if it doesn't happen. (and I would encourage you to read the books if you haven't because at least there you will be satisfied by what happens). Anyway I don't think you're in left field at all. All we can do at this point is hope they filmed it....

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    2. Thank you for your reply.I can understand the differences that you brought up, and appreciate being able to look through a different lens. As far as reading the books, I'm an original that has been reading them since the first one came out ;) Diana is a brillant writer, and has actually recommended that readers don't watch and read at the same time. Just missed my mind's version :) Enjoy your day...Ep. 12 is just around the corner~

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  43. I'm positive that we are going to have a most powerful sex scene in the season finale. Or possibly two. But it's a shame that we've had to wait so long and for it to be something that we will be watching through our tears. :(

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  44. I just wanted to make a quick note on Diana's tweet (I said this somewhere in the comments on the Outlander Cast Gathering post.. but with so many speaking on it here, I wanted to throw my two cents in. I don't think it was Diana's intent there to back the lack of sex this season. She was responding to someone saying "How does Brianna get conceived if they never have sex?" .. I think it came off badly because in print, sometimes sarcasm doesn't come off as intended. I think she was just trying to say that just because we didn't witness conception doesn't mean it didn't happen. Personally I think Diana hears the fans and understands their issues this season. I have picked it up the innuendo of that through a few of her posts. I am sure she gets it, but just trying to smooth the water some. Even Matt Roberts has posted things that lets you know he gets it too. I truly believe it will turn around next year. I have seen this blog posted around a few groups now, hopefully the producers, writers and actors will see it and understand as well.

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      You may be right. Tone is so easy to misread in print and tweets make it only worse. Let's hope all out voices make a difference for season 3

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  45. I have another thought....all the talk about gratuitous sex....yet there seems to be a lot of Jamie-without-his-shirt, as if someone thinks that will satisfy fans. I found the fade-to-black scene pulled me out of the story, because he picked her up and laid her down - with her stays on!!! To me, had he helped her undo the laces, picked her up - even with his shirt on - that would have been intimate. The prayer scene - again, he's naked, but not Claire. Had she been, or had they ended on a deep kiss before going to sleep - but the connection isn't there and I sometimes feel we are being "thrown a bone" with semi-naked Jamie. Like a lot of us, I appreciate the physical beauty of the cast, but I want the story I read.
    Buy big concern - as seasons go on, will it move even further from the characters we had e loved for 25 years?

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      I agree it's the intimacy that's really lacking. Your point is a good one. As for the future and keeping the characters like the book characters we can only hope!

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  46. Janet Reynolds, This is just a stunning piece of writing you have done on these very well written books by Diana Gabelon. I am pretty sure I have more to say on the topic, but for now I just wanted to say thank you for your thoughtful writing.

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  47. Excellent article and discussion! I especially liked your choice as an excerpt from the text. That small segment conveys, not only the love, intimacy and connection Jamie and Claire have for each other, but also the soul-deep NEED and understanding they share together. It also illuminates how sating their need for each other restores them. Yes, they achieve this through sex, but in so many other ways too. I don't think fans need, or even want to see all of the scenes from the books acted out. I think we want enough included on screen that the show-watchers can see how deep and beautiful and rare Jamie and Claire's relationship has grown to become.

    My question for the Outlander staff is this. In S1 Jamie & Claire were hot for each other because their relationship was new and passionate. In S2 their relationship is matured and married. Do the non-book readers "get" the Jamie/Claire connection? I mean REALLY get it? My concern is that they haven't. I'll explain why below.

    ***Spoiler Alert***

    If Jamie and Claire's deep connection isn't well conveyed to non-book readers, S3 makes no sense at all. They know that Claire goes back to Frank. By the end of S2, they'll know she stays with Frank for 18 more years. Without a deep connection and need for Jamie, why take Bree to Scotland? Then, why risk so much and leave Bree alone in the world to return to Jamie?

    I hope I'm wrong. If Starz is going to adapt the rest of the series, they will expect viewership to grow. We rely on non-book readers to watch. If the Jamie/Claire magic isn't apparent, what would bring them back to watch S3? I've read the books: I get it. Perhaps some show watchers can offer feedback about whether S2 displayed enough of Jamie and Claire being strongly connected. Otherwise, I fear for the fate of the show.

    Janet, Kendra, et al - Keep up the great work that you all do!

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      Yes yes yes! Your point about the importance of making Claire and Jamie's relationship clear and how it relates to the setup of season 3 for TV-only people is excellent. So on target. Tag and you for bringing up that angle

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  48. Excellent article and discussion! I especially liked your choice as an excerpt from the text. That small segment conveys, not only the love, intimacy and connection Jamie and Claire have for each other, but also the soul-deep NEED and understanding they share together. It also illuminates how sating their need for each other restores them. Yes, they achieve this through sex, but in so many other ways too. I don't think fans need, or even want to see all of the scenes from the books acted out. I think we want enough included on screen that the show-watchers can see how deep and beautiful and rare Jamie and Claire's relationship has grown to become.

    My question for the Outlander staff is this. In S1 Jamie & Claire were hot for each other because their relationship was new and passionate. In S2 their relationship is matured and married. Do the non-book readers "get" the Jamie/Claire connection? I mean REALLY get it? My concern is that they haven't. I'll explain why below.

    ***Spoiler Alert***

    If Jamie and Claire's deep connection isn't well conveyed to non-book readers, S3 makes no sense at all. They know that Claire goes back to Frank. By the end of S2, they'll know she stays with Frank for 18 more years. Without a deep connection and need for Jamie, why take Bree to Scotland? Then, why risk so much and leave Bree alone in the world to return to Jamie?

    I hope I'm wrong. If Starz is going to adapt the rest of the series, they will expect viewership to grow. We rely on non-book readers to watch. If the Jamie/Claire magic isn't apparent, what would bring them back to watch S3? I've read the books: I get it. Perhaps some show watchers can offer feedback about whether S2 displayed enough of Jamie and Claire being strongly connected. Otherwise, I fear for the fate of the show.

    Janet, Kendra, et al - Keep up the great work that you all do!

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  49. I have to agree it seems as if the writers, producers and actors gave the fans a taste of what a living, growing, loving, intimate, soultie relationship is like in the most intimate of ways without making the physical relationship gratuitous and in season two there are small hints here and there but nothing like in season one. Now, I am not into voyeurism but to some extent the sensual, satisfying, physical relationship between Claire and Jaime puts me in mind of the relationship between my recently deceased husband and myself. I can tell you that kind of relationship is totally satisfying and fulfilling and when it's lost through the death of a beloved spouse a tremendous void remains. I guess I was living vicariously in season one.

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    1. April I am so sorry for your loss. I can only imagine how difficult that must be. Thank you for sharing your insights here from that personal angle.

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  50. I have to agree it seems as if the writers, producers and actors gave the fans a taste of what a living, growing, loving, intimate, soultie relationship is like in the most intimate of ways without making the physical relationship gratuitous and in season two there are small hints here and there but nothing like in season one. Now, I am not into voyeurism but to some extent the sensual, satisfying, physical relationship between Claire and Jaime puts me in mind of the relationship between my recently deceased husband and myself. I can tell you that kind of relationship is totally satisfying and fulfilling and when it's lost through the death of a beloved spouse a tremendous void remains. I guess I was living vicariously in season one.

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  51. Well, here I am again. iIdo hope that the people who produce the show read this blog, but I think they must be aware of the fans' feelings. This same reaction - not as eloquently written, however - has been all over fan sites, Twitter, Diana's FB page, even her CompuServe forum.
    I was one who watched EP212 early online, and without posting any spoilers, I will say - still no intimacy, and more Claire as pushy woman. At the point of the story - 3 days before Culloden - I would be clinging to the partner I loved as much as I could, knowing we will probably all soon die. There's a short kiss, they are mostly apart for the episode; there is no focus on them, Jamie is mostly absent. The previews give no indication that there is any intimate scenes next week (And if there isn't? I, for one, will go from disappointed to angry). At this point Claire is 6 weeks+ pregnant, but no hint as there was in S1.
    I find I do not like a lot of Ira Steven Behr's writing - very action centered, too much "fratboy" humor - but as it was also written by Anne Kenney, who wrote The Wedding, I had hopes. I was disappointed.
    This is not to say the actors do not do a good job - they are all excellent, and Dougal and Colum are great here, as is Tobias as usual.
    I see a lot of complaining (not here so much) about Sam getting overlooked for awards, but really, given how Jamie and his feelings/reactions have been diminished, what would an award be based on?
    My husband and I used to look forward to watching S1 on Sat. nights. Now, it's become an "Oh, well, we can catch it later" and that's not good for Starz' ratings. I hope they get back to the story in S3, and not continue the trajectory they are on. At this point, if they keep Claire heading from "Empowered Woman" (and WHY must they diminish the men around her to do that???) to "Harda$$/B!tch" she'll be running Fraser's Ridge and fighting the Regulators all by herself.....

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      Good point re clinging to your partner for all he's worth when you realize Culloden is inevitable....At this point I worry that if they do feature Jamie and Claire having some intimacy in episode 13 that it will be rushed and seem strange--which is not at all the way their characters really are in the books or in season 1.

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  52. I just saw a Tweet to Terry D. about loving the episode and she replied: "Hope you liked it. There is so much negative chatter it gets us down. Discouraging." Maybe she was talking about the whole fan war with William Shatner, but if she it talking about fan reaction to the show...well, if there is that much negative chatter, maybe they need to listen a little NOW while they are still writing S3.

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      I know this blog post is going all over the web and that people are tweeting some of the producers when they share it so I suspect they've Seen this. And of course others are talking about this particular topic too. I think we've all made it clear that we still love the show. We are just disappointed in this facet. And yes hopefully they will use this info to get back on track next season

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  53. I have commented other places and I haven't read all the posts but I was a show watcher before I became a book reader. I watched the first half of the first season and went straight to the books. One of the reason I loved the tv show was to portrayal of a woman enjoying sex in a way I had never seen before. Men look at sex differently and all the movies and tv portray that way. It was so refreshing to see it this way. I want more.

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      Yes season was so refreshing! It's part of why this season has been so frustrating in this arena--they set the bar last year 😏

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  54. Thank you for your insight. I absolutley agree with your article. My friends and I have been talking about this exact subject. Season 1 was a joy for the most part. I couldn't wait for the next episode. The chemistry between Jamie and Claire was unbelievable. His look at her while she was checking his wound was wonderful and no nudity involved. There were so many of those last year. The wedding was well done and tasteful. The fight by the river was full of passion, concluding with Jamie consumed with emotion telling Claire you are ripping my guts out . Jamie's wit,humor, and passion are missing. I counted the days until Season 2. Waiting for the love and chemistry to continue. What a disappointment. Its been hard to keep watching. The only reason I have is waiting for Jamie to return. It hasn't happened. The actors have interviews out. Sam said he wanted his character broken until 210. Cait has said it's supposed to be a mature love? Jamie is a young 20 year old man. He shouldn't be ready to forget sex already. The scene this year that upset me the most was after Jamie was released from prison, there was little emotion, no touching, and tears only when Claire wanted to go to Scotland. The book Jamie was on his knees pleading, and crying for Faith. They held each other. The scene from the mountain when they were making love and Jamie said they must look at each other to see the pain they've caused each other. What a loss. Ron did an interview stating the longer the series goes on the less they'll rely on the books. It's apparent it's already happening.

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  58. I so agree with this column! Thank you for writing it. And it's not just wanting more sex (but hey what's wrong with showing that aspect of a loving, mature relationship??) but even a HINT of sex. I don't mind the fade aways but yes it is going to seem like the immaculate conception happened for Brianna. So here are some suggestions for improving eps 8-12:

    Ep 8 - sex on the road to Castle Beufort. Doesn't have to show much but Murtagh knows what's going on and turns the other way with a scoff.
    Ep 9 - post coital in bed at the beginning, before they come out of their little house talking about bannocks.
    Ep 10 - End of the episode, J&C walking away from sadness, Fergus goes to follow them, Murtagh stops him saying they need to find comfort their own way.
    Ep 11 - meh, perfect as is
    Ep 12 - not really time
    Ep 13 - better be epic!

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    1. Elizabeth these are great suggestions for how they could have put a little sizzle back into this season---and more importantly continued to develop Jamie and Claire's connection. Because despite some naysayers claiming that those of us who are asking about sex are pervert or single-minded, in reality it's really about how this physical part is critical to their relationship and developing their partnership....Re Ep 13---we shall see. There's a lot of ground to cover but dear god I hope they put something in because as a book reader I know there's something that happens. :)

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  59. Totally agree with everything you said. So disappointed week after week that there's nothing, hardly any intimacy at all. I don't need explicit sex, just loving, intimate, funny Jamie and Claire moments that show how much they adore and depend on each other (they're soul mates). This is what is SERIOUSLY lacking in everything else out there, and what we thought we FINALLY were going to get in Outlander because they delivered it so beautifully in Season 1, yet we're 12 out of 13 episodes into season 2 and almost nothing. As Elizabeth Fisher said,
    "Ep 13 better be epic!" but I don't have much hope considering how much ground they need to cover. Claire and Jamie's intimate relationship is at the very heart of the Outlander story, and to almost completely ignore it robs the emotional impact of their 20 year separation. My two thoughts...

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      Totally agree on every level. Yes DG has written a ripsnorting adventure tale--something happens every time characters turn around it seems--but the heart is and will be Jamie and Claire's relationship. That got short shrift this season generally.

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  60. Janet, thank you so much for articulating so clearly what I have found so dissapointing about season 2! I have been waiting for you to publish this since Mary and Blake made reference to it in a recent podcast. As a 20+ year book lover, the soul deep connection between Jamie and Claire that more often than not played out in the bedroom (or a haystack, or a pile a leaves, etc) is the driving force for my love of these characters. I didn't realize how much so until my confusion over the lack of intimacy turned to dissapointment over the course of the last 12 episodes. And looking at the preview for 13, I don't believe there is any way to make that amazing parting scene work. I will always love the books and that translates to the adaptation as well, but I am incredibly saddened over why it seems we were SO mislead about the level of intimacy we would be seeing this season! My biggest issue though, is how would a non book reader believe that these people literally burn for each other during all their years apart. I haven't even managed to keep my non book reading friends watching this season! They just haven't set the stage properly, this overwhelming let down has clouded nearly every episode for me. So wonderful to read these comments and know I'm not alone!

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      Yes I suspect you are right about the parting--they haven't continued the chemistry this season, losing sight of the fact that the driving force of this series is the epic love story. I've been anticipating this leavetaking since it was announced that season 2 was happening, assuming I would be sobbing because I've read the books. Now I'm not sure they're going to accomplish the full potential of this gut-wrenching moment....they just didn't set it up well. I think RDM has about two episodes in season 3 to show us he's back on track. Fingers crossed!

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  61. My final comment (I promise, lol!): I just read the script as posted online. There are two scenes that were not shown as written, not sure if they were not filmed that way or cut in editing. When they first arrive at the camp, and Jamie is planning to go to the War cCouncil while Claire goes to replenish her medicines, there is a very tenderly written scene between the 2 that is exactly the kind of intimate interaction so many of us are missing. All we see on screen is a quick kiss as they go their separate ways.
    Then there is the scene where Claire tells Jamie of the Mary/BJR wedding, and then there is the talk of how she will keep her vow "to help him bleed" BJR. On screen, they seem almost mad at each other, and Claire has her tough-jaw-set expression. In the script it is written much more tenderly, with her reluctance to acknowledge that side of herself and both saying they did not know they had that side in themselves until they met BJR. WHY are they not filming as written (yes, "time constraints" yada yada). But this is what we are saying we miss - the connection between them. I have to lay this at the feet of Ron Moore as show runner and the one who approves the final edit.
    Go to outlandercommunity.com and read it yourself - you will see the difference a few words can make.

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      First of all keep those comments coming! You're adding to the conversation and that helps everyone :)
      I'm sad these scenes didn't make it in. They definitely would have helped fill the void. I hope RDM is paying attention to all the chatter here and on Twitter and Facebook about this topic. There are a lot of people who are not pleased with this part of the adaptation. Overall I think they do a good job but on this point, they've blown it this season

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    2. I asked the Director as I noticed (with my evil spy eye before the script was released) that it was edited. He def. shot the written version. They edited it in post.

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  62. Mrs Schurr.. I thought the same thing about that scene getting her supplies! Now we know that internally Jamie knows she is pregnant right now (even though not said yet .. he knows). In the script, he says "I'm going to see if there is food in this God -forsaken place" - that is kept. She replies she is going to Inverness to restock - that bit is kept (both things no real tenderness right?) But then she says, "save something for me" and he touches her face and says, "I'll save you the best of what I find" -Beautiful, right? Loving- Tender, right? THAT EXCHANGE GETS CUT! WHY? ughh so frustrating. In an episode with so few caring moments with Jamie and Claire - why cut that? It takes less than 10 seconds. *Sigh*

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      Reading the scripts this season has been a little frustrating for precisely the thing you pointed out. Even keeping that sentence would have helped with maintaining the feeling behind the core reason people love this show/books---Jamie and Claire's epic love story.....Sigh. And more of those moments likely would have helped fans deal with the lack of more physical parts as well. Just sayin'

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  63. I hope they get women editors for s3 ... Because as a previous writer producer myself....if you arent involved heavily in the post process....you better have an editor who knows what the game is! Make the editors understand that relationship so those moments arent cut out...but placed properly and "worked around" !! Women have more sensibilities in the romance department....so Ron...get more women involved!

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  64. You know....if the lines of these scenes were shot but left out of the episode that aired....maybe Ron...loving us obsessed fans as we are....could have some episodes recut for the blu ray edition??!!!!

    Oh how incredibly wonderful that would be! I would def buy the season if that happened..as it is now....would delay release no doubt...which would prob be an issue...but something is possible! A secondary reedited release before season 3 debuts would be a huge kick for all of us !!!

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      Great idea about the cut bits. We can only hope they do that. And your point about having the right person in the editing process is a good one. We will keep our fingers crossed. I know they hired four new writers so that might mean good news as well....

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  66. This discussion inspired me to create a new YouTube fan video to "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" about the lack of sex in Season 2. I thought you might like it. It is tongue in cheek, well, sort of. The link is below. If this is not allowed and you need to remove it, I apologize and understand.
    https://youtu.be/vSmMnjZtqIg

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  67. Ann

    I LOVE THIS! Are you on Facebook? I would love to have you post this on our Outlander Cast Clan Gathering page so other people can see it. That page got a lot of conversation going after the blog post was posted there too so I know people would be interested in seeing this inspired video.
    The url is https://www.facebook.com/groups/outlandercast/ I hope you do it!~ Great job

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  68. Here, here! I agree 100% Loved that you addressed this! I know there was trauma to recover from and a tragic miscarriage. And I understand it had to be a gradual process, but it seems like it all took place behind the scenes. Just as we saw Jamie and Claire's initial move to intimacy, I would have liked to see something of the re-connecting. That, too, is a part of their life together.

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      I know I know.....and now we have one action packed episode where book readers know some amazing moments happen. The question is will they happen on screen and will the set-up have been sufficient to have them make sense? We shall see...

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  69. The writer above מלכוד2 is onto some crucial problems with the script. By not completing Season One – that is by skipping the incredible monastery hot springs/sexual healing scene (during which it is likely Claire becomes pregnant with Faith), a huge dramatic opportunity was lost.. And מלכוד2 is probably right …it costs us in the consequences in Season II because Jaime’s PTSD process goes on into several episodes in Le Havre.
    In these early France scenes, Claire is presented as leading, even bossing, a depressed Jaime. I mildly disagree that explaining the politics in France were not necessary; however I think we (most of us contributing on this post so far) -- see there were many moments of battle, or training, of riding that could have been foreshortened to make time for Jaime and Claire.
    Janet’s well chosen excerpt (above) from the book would have made a fine choice for a brief sex scene.
    The writers lost some of the dramatic richness and eroticism from the scene in which John at age 16 attacks Jaime. Part of the point of having Jaime initiate the action to rip Claire’s bodice open and obtain the cooperation of the young gentleman, was to allow Jaime to explain later to Claire having himself beaten. He partly needed to atone for having embarrassed her in front of 30 men, and to say “if I’ve done wrong lady, then I apologize.” They make peace, fall into sleeping blankets together, and she humorously says you might as well finish ravishing me, you Scottish poltroon… (Or words to that effect). Giving Claire the agency to begin the farce with the young Englishman, while very feminist (late, post 1970 feminist), undermines the eroticism of a well written scene.

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      I like your analysis of the LJG scene. Interesting idea and placement of it in feminist thought. I hadn't been thinking that way because of course Claire is a feminist. But she is from the 1940s at this point and while perhaps a forward thinker for her time maybe not that forward. Overall pacing is off this season and I think Jamie and Claire's intimacy is just part of an example of that. Stay tuned for my post on that after the season is over :)

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  70. I watched the marathon this weekend, and things flo so much better when there isn't a week between. Oddly, I felt they were shown more "intimate" and "together" in Paris - even when they were dealing with the aftermath of Wentworth - than they were in the second half. Maybe it was deliberate to shown how events hurtled along, but it was (IMHO) a mistake.
    Now, I've seen GIFs from the finale, which was accidentally released for about 4 hours in Sweden. Maybe I am being paranoid, but it seems to me that there may not be the lovely, desperate, "memorizing each other" sex in the show. It seems like they will have little time to accomplish all they need to do, and we know there is no cottage scene, so.... Just seems that, in the GIFs, they are dressed just as they are when they leave the camp, and it seems odd to me to make love, say good-bye, then get so completely re-dressed (Jamie is even wearing his sword. The only diff. is that Claire's hair is down) to say good-bye.
    If they skip the intimacy their words and the have-to-last-forever sex (again!!!!) I, for one, will be seriously p$ssed.

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    1. Mrs. Schurr---I saw the hand GIF and got pretty choked up. That said, I really hope they have some intimate words at the very least. It's so critical to keeping the story's heart, which is this couple, not the action around them.....only a few more days and we will know all...

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  71. No cottage scene! oh no! How did you get to see GIFs from the finale Sweden???

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    1. I don't know for sure, just speculating - probably worrying for nothing; i can't imagine the end without those scenes. The Gifs were all over the Internet and Twitter; not sure if you can find them now. They were very short, 3 of J/C at the stones and 1 of Brianna and Roger.

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  72. I think most people are missing the obvious here. Take a good, hard look and you'll get it.

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  73. Yes. Yes! So agree with all. One thing that really bothered me as well was never seeing them reconnect from any of their problems. I was totally appalled at never seeing them reconcile after the big fight in Paris over BJR or after the loss of Faith. I knew it would be a beautiful scene and so looking forward to seeing him console her. Then the VO after returning to Lallybroch. The relationship draws people in and becomes mesmerizing to read or watch. This is what occurred in season one. Season two never felt the same. I had to put it in a new category by episode 3. It just wasn't the same to watch. I can turn on any show to see a husband ignoring and being angry with his wife. I was very disappointed. To make matters worse Caite/Sam kept explaining a mature, gratuitous, working marriage to us as if they know and we do not. I The word gratuitous began to annoy me they repeated it so many times. As if we don't know you are being fed these lines. Oh well, with all of this I am happy to still write how much I cannot wait for S3.

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    1. Sassenach--I was annoyed by the PR spin from the cast and crew too. It felt condescending, as if ANY sex would be gratuitous and that we, the fans, were too shallow in our interpretation/understanding of Jamie and Claire's relationship. As a book reader, this was especially annoying because it really is the exact opposite of DG's intent. Part of the appeal/wonder of this series is how interesting this relationship is and how the couple evolves during a long marriage. She does that so well and they kind of fell flat on that in season 2. Really hoping they get back to that core in season 3.

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  74. Thank you Janet and all for validating my exact feelings. They must have done something right in S1 to keep middle agers like most of us interested in a very young love. A lot of S1 fans are 40 and above. Most tv love/sex is so rediculous I have no interest at all regardless of how much comes off or what they look like. This was up their with Love Story and The Way We Were. I have to admit I didn't watch the whole rape scene. Too much for me. S2 lost that hold over us. RDM tried to pull in the male viewer but at what expense? I found their fed rhetoric condescending as well. We all know we are not just talking about the physical intimacy. I was beyond stunned when we never saw them reconcile after the big BJR fight or Jamie consoling her after the loss of Faith. But, by then I was pretty much done. I put S2 in the "extras" category with the Outlandish Companion and re-read those scenes in the book. I have no problem altering a scene for adaptation, but too much was lost. Sorry for writing so much but my daughter who does not share my love for Outlander has cut me off. She won't listen anymore. 😊

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    1. Sassenach--feel free to vent here any time you need to! We fans need to stick together. I don't know if the intent was to pull over male viewers but I wonder if Game of Thrones influenced RDM's choice to focus more on the war? Just a theory since it's full of violence and big war scenes. At any rate, here's hoping we get back to center in season 3.

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  75. I want to gag when I hear the actors writers say they feel the sex or love scenes should only be in there to move the story along! And they don't want them to be gratuitous. Please. OK, EXPLAIN THAT EW COVER AND PHOTO SPREAD! What was that? "Here's what you won't be seeimg in Season 2?". Whose bright idea was that promo?
    Having a real loving reconnect scene after Faith would have been a way to move the story along. The Voiceover and 2 mins of happy times at Lallybroch made me want to scream. Actually, I did yell "Really?" at the TV. Also, most of the scenes shown during that were recycled ones of Jenny, Ian, and from opening credits. I feel so duped. Sassenach you and I can gripe about what we missed in Outlander. We watch the TV show to "see" it acted out by the beautiful Sam and Cait. But that can't be now. Season 3 they will be older, still gorgeous, I am sure. But they are already saying yet again "It's a different romance". Not again. Cut us a break RDM and Co. A lot of us fans are more familiar with the "frisky" nature of Jamie and Claire from the books.

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    1. I suspect you and I were screaming Really at the TV at the same moment :)
      And yes that EW feature completely sent the message that yes season 2 will be more of season one ({Pricking of my Thumbs opening anyone?) and not some "mature" read no-sex-ever relationship.....which is also just annoying that this is the message they want to portray about relationships after the first months of marriage are over. I mean seriously? Do they really think people stop having sex entirely? I'm rereading Drums right now and Jamie and Claire are still hot for each other on a regular basis and also still intimate in the ways they talk and touch and treat each other. They need to show more of this relationship in season 3....

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  76. Thank you for allowing my vent to have a place. I always feel so guilty about posting negativity but everyone here is just so passionate about the show as I am that it's understood. We love Outlander. I've never been this devoted to a book before. Anyone else had this experience? If so please share the author. Thnx.

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    1. I haven't had the same experience Sassenach--I'm not sure you can. However, I have been enjoying a series on DG's methadone list by Sarah Donati. It's the Into the Wilderness series and is set in upstate NY in the 18th century. Another book of strong women, a good couple at its core, and solid historical fiction around settler life and the times of Native Americans and blacks in this country. I recommend them, and I say this noting I went into them reluctantly because, really, who can compete? But DG was right--they're satisfying.

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  77. I was glad to find your article and have read most of the comments so I hope I am not repeating when I give my opinion on the changes from Season 1 to Season 2.
    I find the care and time taken with storyline noticeable changed between the two Seasons. It would seem that they are cranking out episodes faster and missing important moments whether they be TV derived or from the novel. I must say that I miss both intimacy and sex with the main characters, however it my opinion that it is based on the actors and or producers wishes. Most series are void or lack sex scenes after the first Season, choosing to opt for sex/nudity with bit part actors. Whether it is based on compensation or power from the actor it is routinely lacking in many series. I did catch an interview with Balfe in which she wished that she had not given up her power when accepting this role. I understand the need for an actor to sign on to anything for a chance to work and then maybe rethinking that after many long hours and showing more of themselves than maybe they had bargained for. The press statements made in defending Season 2 less sizzle does not hold up. They actors/producers said they are not going to "just do sex with out it contributing to the story" when coming out to promote Season 2 never uttered a word about appropriate sex during Season 1 press. Seeing the maid topless with Murtagh was unnecessary but I believe thrown in to titillate and I believe we will see more of this in Seasons to come. It would be a valid argument if the characters were not written so richly and presented so well in the first season but they have an extraordinary relationship in the novels and whether it is their intimacy or day to day it has much less weight in Season 2 and cannot be filled with bit part actors revealing themselves.
    Personally some of the scenes I enjoyed most in Season 1, there was little to no nudity- (Morning Sex and sex interrupted at the glade). I hope Season 3 is better but if I had to bet, I don't believe we will see the great sex and intimacy between the leads again or the rich time and care taken in telling Claire's story. Production will start very soon and I have read there will be much less waiting time to view Season 3 on Starz.

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    1. Marjorie your comments about feeling rushed and pacing are right on the money and I think behind a lot of the decisions on what to include or not to include in season 3 overall. I'm hoping that since the third book is more linear that some of this focus comes back. They've also got some new writers (that can be good and bad).

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  80. I was glad to find your article and have read most of the comments so I hope I am not repeating when I give my opinion on the changes from Season 1 to Season 2.
    I find the care and time taken with storyline noticeable changed between the two Seasons. It would seem that they are cranking out episodes faster and missing important moments whether they be TV
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  82. I felt that the "French" Season took both of these heart-felt characters to scheming personalities. For any of us who have had partners of many years, the connections we have together on an intimate level is what keeps every day life in perspective. I just felt Claire never won Sam back from Jack Randall without some deep, emotional and satisfying intimate love scenes. These are woman's novels. And they reflect the relationships we all yearn for.

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  83. Yes, yes and yes. You're on the money with your observations. In the books, Jamie and Claire were always working together on the larger goal. The show turned that on its heels and lost some of the sizzle and focus that help make these books so great. Here's hoping season 3 gets back on track.

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