Season 3 #Outlander news: Jamie and Jack clash, welcome Fergus & more!


Written by: Janet Reynolds



When it rains, it pours. This time, though, the #Droughtlander showers were welcome indeed as we finally learned more details about Outlander's upcoming season 3. Not only did Entertainment Weekly drop a cover story with some hints of what's coming, but Starz announced the casting of adult Fergus.

The only cloud in this welcome storm? Nell Hudson, aka Laoghaire — perhaps the most hated character in Outlander — making a potential Twitter oops by posting a photo that showed her last name during a table-read, prompting some in the fandom to cry foul. What it prompted me to do is make a list of scenes I really don't want Ron D. Moore et al to put into Season 3. Hint: she's number one.

But before we get to that spoilery stuff, let's celebrate the raindrops EW tossed our way.


Oops wrong EW cover. :) Here's this year's cover.


While it's voyeuristic delicious to revisit last year's cover, what a difference a year can make in terms of the Outlander "message" Starz has decided to sell to EW. We've moved from sex and Clamie and talks about kilty pleasure (which by the way they decidedly did NOT deliver on in Season 2!) to focusing on the evolution of Jamie — the King of Men.  The man who gave the love of his life and his bairn-in-the-womb to another man to care for quite literally is the Great Scot. Oh and the partially bare chest ain't bad either.

The season also apparently, EW editor Lynette Rice says in an EW teaser video, will likely start on Culloden Moor, splitting time perhaps with Claire's new life sans Jamie in the 20th century. While the book doesn't do this, it makes sense for Moore to take this approach with the TV show. TV-only viewers need to get a sense of what happens in the battle. And even book purists are going to love seeing Black Jack Randall potentially get his. I mean, who among us hasn't dreamed of being the one holding the sword at one time or another? Nail him for us, Jamie!


Also haunting is this image of Claire, walking ghost-like on what appears to be Culloden Moor. Potentially brilliant move, Ron D. Moore. We will have to see how it plays out.


Rice also says that the article will reveal a bit about how the show will focus on Claire's life with Frank in the 20th century. Even TV-only fans know that Jamie and Claire are separated. The question is for how long? Season 2 ends with Claire saying, "I have to go back."

Our two-fer day of Outlander happiness came with the news that adult Fergus has been cast. Cesar Domboy, who was seen in The Walk and The Borgias, is filling some tough shoes. Romann Berrux was wonderful as young Fergus. But adult Fergus is a pivotal role, especially if Outlander goes beyond four seasons. (You did all cross your fingers just then, right?)



The darker cloud on a day of basically good Outlander news came on Twitter. We are now going into spoiler area. Read on at your own peril, TV-only fans. We're going to talk about things that book readers know. Consider yourself warned.


I'm spacing this out to give you more time to bail if you need to. This is the last warning.


*HERE BE SPOILERS*


Okay.

While I fully understand that TV is a different medium than books — blah blah blah — there are certain things that I am very nervous about regarding Season 3 and Moore's thoughts about what makes a good TV story. Laoghaire's little oopsy Twitter post did nothing to settle my uneasiness about the storyline that has me hyperventilating the most. Here's her post:


That's right. It's her married name — which we book readers know happens. But here is my hyperventilating, keep-me-up-at-night, maybe-I-need-to-get-a-life worry: that Moore makes a bigger deal of this "marriage" than it actually warrants. That he builds suspense for TV-land purposes and makes this marriage of convenience seem as if Jamie actually cares a fig for this woman, that he marries Laoghaire because he has some feelings rather than the reality — which is that he's hoodwinked into this by Jenny (not one of her more redeeming moments by the by) and because he's just desperately lonely and basically doesn't really care whether he lives or dies but, since he is alive, he might as well help this pathetic widow and her children. Because as we know in the book that is PRECISELY why he marries Laoghaire. It is NOT a big deal once Claire returns. The only issue when Claire returns is that Jamie doesn't tell her and she finds out in a shocking way.

That said, Claire leaving Jamie in a fit of anger lasts exactly three chapters — and they're not long ones either. If Moore plays this out and makes Laoghaire actually seem important to Jamie and makes it a bigger rift between Jamie and Claire than it really is, I will be screaming at the TV.  Consider yourselves warned.

Which leads me to another scene I really don't need to see in Season 3: Claire and Frank having sex. In fact, I really don't need to see much of Frank at all. What I would love would be for Moore to simply have that scene where they have that big argument that seals the deal about what a philandering jerk Frank is, after which he storms out the door and dies in the car crash. That's really all we need to see of their lives together. 20 minutes max. Seriously. We do not need an entire episode of them. We don't. Please please please. I'm begging you, Ron. Get us to the print shop as soon as you can. The suspense of #Droughtlander is separation enough.


What do you think of the season 3 information we've gotten so far based on the Entertainment Weekly article? Are you as worried about Laogharie and Jamie storyline as I am? Are there other parts of Season 3 you're worried about? 

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    1. Right! I am so worried Ron Moore, who admittedly said how much he admires his acting (as do I--he is terrific), will play up his role. We don't need to see 20 years of Claire and Frank!

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  2. I don't want to see the love scene with Geneva played out. And NO Mr. Willoughby!

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    1. YESSSSS. I vote for no Mr. Willoughby too! I know he's tied to a few key plot developments, but it's a waste when we only have 13 hours!

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    2. St. J. Family: As long as they can figure out how to do the plot stuff without Mr. W, I'm fine with his character never getting into the show. But he does have some key moments.
      And yes to the Geneva scene.....I don't need to see the details. They can fade the black the way they did so much with Jamie and Claire this season--we know they know how to do it (sadly).

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  3. It would be difficult for me to watch Jamie's and Loaghaire's wedding. Also, the Geneva and Jamie love scene at Hellwater. But why would the producers shy away from these sensational scenes? They will film it, I am sure! I wouldn't miss Mr. Willokughby or Fergus's hook. Next exciting cast news will beLady Geneva and Masali. Maybe Nell Hudson will also play Masali :)

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    1. Perhaps you haven't read the rest of the books, but Fergus losing his hand is a crucial plot point that resonates for decades.

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    2. Perhaps you haven't read the rest of the books, but Fergus losing his hand is a crucial plot point that resonates for decades.

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    3. Martina and Charlotte
      The scene with Fergus losing his hand is a big moment and dictates some of Jamie's decisions. It would be hard not to show it in some way, but not impossible

      I will scream if we have to watch Jamie and Leghair's wedding. Just scream. No. No. No.

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  4. Let's play a rousing game of Would You Rather - scenes with Frank? Or scenes with Laoighaire?

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    1. Ashley
      I might need to be drinking to play that game of Would You Rather......but if I had to vote it would be to see Frank. Yes I hate Laoighaire THAT MUCH!

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  5. I know many hate Laoghaire and Frank, but they are too important to gloss over. What happened between Claire and Frank changed her. We need to see her as a young mother with an infant daughter and Frank expecting her to be hostess and looking like Donna Reed with an infant puking and pooping all day, the furnace breaking down and not being able to go grocery shopping. And his response to her appearance, her throwing the bottle of wine at him and storming out. Her going to the church and Frank finding her there, They don't need to have the sex scene, but they do need to have the scene when she comes home from the hospital, babysitter gone, and Bree hit by a car and Frank's offer to take Bree to work with him. This moment where she contemplates resigning to be with Bree and Frank stepping up is very important. Whatever you might say about Frank, he loved Bree even though she was Jamie's child and he lived in a loveless marriage competing with a ghost for 18 years for her sake. He had long since lost hope that Claire could ever forget Jamie or love him again. I don't blame him for seeking female companionship elsewhere with Claire so unavailable to him, but when he wanted to take Bree away to England and the way he broke that bit of news to Claire made me dislike him deeply.

    I seriously doubt that Ron would fabricate any kind of loving relationship between Laoghaire and Jamie. Him marrying her at all , given what they did in season one where Jamie witnessed her instigating and testifying at the witch trial will have us throwing things and screaming. He is a good man and he needs a purpose after his pardon and providing for Laoghaire and her young daughters would give him that. He could not raise Bree but he could be a father to those little girls and in the end he did right by them.

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    1. Kathy
      You give a very reasoned and reasonable response here for the parts of Claire and Frank's relationship that need to be shown and developed. I was nodding my head remembering those parts in the book and thinking of all the good points you're making.
      And then my heart took over and I said no, even while thinking you're right. So it's irrational.
      That said, I could live through them showing what you've outlined; I see how they're critical to development and make Claire and Jamie's love/reunion more important and emotional.
      But Laoghaire and Jamie--I just can't even. I SO hope you're right about RDM not blowing this. I worry about the set-up he created in season 2, though. You may recall that Jamie is told by Claire to thank Laoghaire but never told why. I worry that this little conniver will play off of that since it's clear she's still determined to get him.

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  6. First of all let's hope this cover is not as misleading as the second season cover. OR better yet, maybe it is and we will see more intimacy between Jamie and Claire.
    As for Frank I can take the sex scene so long as they omit the suckling part. Eww on so many levels. But it IS RDM.

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    1. Okay Denise. You had me laughing at suckling.

      And you're so right about how the EW cover could be completely off base as last year's was--suggesting a scene that included lovemaking (ANY) and then basically creating a sex droughtlander.

      We are watching you RDM.....

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    2. Janet, Claire tells Jamie to thank Laoighairie because she helped boost Simon Lovett's son's confidence in the plot to get his support for Culloden/Jacobite subversion plot. Claire asked Laoighairie to help them out and it worked as far as what she was asked to do. So she did deserve a thanks for that.

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  7. I agree totally abt Jamie marrying Laoighairie ...but the absolute WORSE that Ron et al could do to us fans is show ANY type of intimacy betwn Jamie and L! i will barf in my Odouls and probably have to go to the ER for nausea meds.I do not lie! In the bks he tells Claire abt it, ok i can handle that.
    On a more serious note, i read a great take on how the scenes at Lallybrouch are perhaps the most critical to Voyager if not to the whole series of JnC. For 20 yrs theyve both keep lonliness, anger, hurt et al bottled up within them both living empty lives alone. After they reunite these feelings are like a boiling kettle abt to explode.L walking into that roomand revelation of Js marriage finally causes these feelings to explode toward each other into a Hellfire and Damnation fight of all fights. Claire runs away, young Ian brings info of sshooting, she hurries back to save save S life (when in fact she never wanted to leave). what then ensues is their honesty of what their lives have been like without each other...and the heartfelt realization that they truly cannot ever live, being apart again. They are what makes each other whole. THAT is what we see in their story for all the rest of the bks. If we thought the fight at the river was gd/big, i hope we see mega award winning performances, writing, directing of this pivitol story. I cant wait to see Sam and Cait doing this!

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    1. Kaye I totally agree--about the physical reaction to seeing Jamie and L in bed AND the critical importance of their fight at Lallybroch. It really is the moment they are back together 100% after that long separation and solidifies for them both that they are true soulmates and that their love for each other has not lessened during that time.

      That said, it is also so clear in the book that Jamie never loved L and this is NOT what makes Claire so mad when she discovers the marriage--it's that he didn't tell her and this secret suggests to her that perhaps he doesn't love her as he once did. So I hope Ron focuses on that rather than some faux relationship between Jamie and L. And he can do that without making us see a lot of their personal lives together...

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  8. What makes for good storylines? Conflict, then resolution. Also, well-defined, interesting, but flawed characters. Hate her all you want, but Laoghaire is needed in Voyager as a catalyst for conflict.

    The 20 year separation changes Claire & Jamie profoundly; and it will be a long rocky road to their reunion. Remember, all their choices while apart are based on their absolute certainty they will never be together (in this life) again.

    I agree with Kaye's thoughts above; but it doesn't bother me if some details of Jamie's & Laoghaire's relationship are shown. If there is a love scene between them, it will be the antithesis of any love making between Jamie & Claire. Laoghaire is frigid/traumatized and unhappy, and NOTHING works in her marriage to Jamie. Good possibilities for some mighty interesting conflict there!

    For anyone that remembers that terrific relationship show "Thirty Something" Laoghaire is Miles Drentell: the character we loved to hate. He made everyone's skin crawl, and we analysed him the next day at work! "Thirty Something" would have been a lot less entertaining without Miles. Same goes for Laoghaire--and Frank.

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    1. LJPierson
      You raise a vary good point about the need for conflict and tension in any good storytelling. I want to be clear--I know L has to be in Voyager (See my note above to Kaye). And I know we need to see enough of Jamie and L together to tell the story of how Jamie really has done this because Jenny pushed him and he's actually a man living a life of quiet desperation with no real hope for true emotions ever again. I just don't want to see too much of it. What I hope Ron focuses on is the dynamic (and fleeting) fight Claire and Jamie have right before he's shot and her quick return to him as they both realize they feel the same even though they've been apart 20 years.

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  9. Great post Janet,I feel RDM wants to make the story line more realistic with giving extra times&story to Frank&Loaghaire,for me Frank is a bit of a tragic figure,but a extremely good father to Bree,well not much love from Claire so he turns to others,while LH has this childish love for Jamie & now a great need bc of her children,NO I don't need to see much of them,but they are important for the plots,so is Mr. Willoughby.









    No we don't need too much Frank or Loaghaire,but RDM is giving them more storylines as he wants it more realistic!No Jamie does not love LH,but acutely lonely & being the good man he is for the childrens sake he marries her,of course it does not work out,neither does C&F's relationship as Frank is the only one who loves C,but no suckling F please!!!LOLMr.Willoughby will be in it also,bc of the plots! I'm actually so looking forward to C&J coming together again after 20 years&Seeing older Fergus&Marsali.Wasn't happy with Jenny in Voyager!







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  10. Sorry about this rambling comment above as I thought I lost the firs part of it.I'm such a luddite its so sad!!!!!

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    1. Zsuzsip---Your comment was great. So glad you're a regular reader and commenter. Your thoughts add a lot to the discussion. I'm kind of a Mr. Willoughby fan myself--for what he brings to the plot. It's hard to imagine how they would do Voyager without him.

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  11. I honestly do not care who JAMMF is sleeping with, suffice to say we actually see the action this season. I think if we are honest with ourselves, we are gonna see the L and G scenes, because they do impact the storyline drastically (Willy & Masali)

    I am also concerned with the different locations in shooting. While I don't want it to feel like Pirates of the Caribbean, I wouldn't mind some sexy beach scenes.

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    1. Melissa
      I think they will use some of the sets from Black Sails, another Starz show that was set in the Caribbean but filmed in South Africa.

      And I only care about Jamie sleeping with Claire :)

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  12. I also hope that Ron doesn't make a bigger deal of J and Ls marriage then it is in the books as well. I know we need drama but we really don't need more then what we will be getting to begin with how it is in the book.

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  13. I also hope that Ron won't make way more out of the friendship between Jamie and Lord John Grey then it is in the books as well. Leaving it how it is in the books is enough.

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    1. I agree Alyce. The book is actually really a wonderful relationship that develops cleverly and over a long time. RDM doesn't need to make it weird. Jamie and LJG have it well organized.

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  14. After reading your post I was thinking of why Nell Hudson would be at the table reading for the next block. I honestly have no clue how they film and shoot the show, but they might be filming early scenes/chapters (books) such as the cave scenes. My thoughts are this, 1) maybe they refer to Laoghire's name in full for the entire season...just to keep things straight in the minds of production...maybe. 2) They are not going to take out Mary MacNab from the cave scene and put in Laoghire instead.

    Just a thought. And I do think we need to see the Geneva scene that is life changing for the stories and further seasons. Also we need to see Mr. Willoughby.

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    1. I meant to say they ARE taking out Mary MacNab...not are not. Sorry.

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    2. Tara---uh oh. Am now worried about your idea that they might use Leghair in the cave scene instead of Mary. I could totally see RDM doing that.....which would have me screaming for one.

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    3. Oh hell, Tara - that's actually so plausible... and nauseating. Ew. Ew. Ew.

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  15. It would be impossible to show all of Voyager in 13 hour-long segments so we know going in that many scenes in the book will not make it to the TV screen. Therefore it is important to pick and choose what best carries the story line versus what should be cut.

    I doubt RDM decides to change the story by showing Jamie having any passion or love for LegHair because (1) it wasn't in the book, and (2) there are enough scenes that will need to be cut without developing a new story line. The marriage is important for at least 2 reasons though - his relationship with Marsali and the alimony he needs to pay her which resulted in Ian swimming out to get the gems and getting kidnapped. But, that shouldn't take a whole episode, hopefully.

    As for Frank - not really sure any of that is vital to the story line so I vote to use the time on other stuff.

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    1. EbonyRaptor---we do need to see something of L and Jamie's marriage for plot purposes--you're right. But we don't need to see much to get the point across and I certainly hope we don't (as you know). Voyager does have a lot of info to get across so hopefully RDM will choose wisely.

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  16. But if we don't see Jamie and Laoghaire's wedding then we don't get to see Claire's fetch either!

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    1. I've been curious about Claire's fetch too and wonder if they will do that. It was such a fun part of the book.

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    2. I need someone to remind me what's Claire's fetch? It has been many years since I read the books.

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  17. Just my opinions/hopes: I don't want to see much of Loaghaire, or any affection on the part of Jamie. He never loved her, but married her out of need/duty. Please do not give this too much attention. Also, the Mary McNab encounter does not do much to alter the plot - we already have the Loaghaire mess, so don't make the waters any muddier. I'd leave her out. Geneva... again,let us know it happened so we know young Willie's place. But people will say she was raped, and Jamie acted out of need/desire rather than affection. Mr. Willoughby... I wouldn't bother with him or his antics. We'll have enough side action with Young Ian, Fergus and Marsali - and Geillis. Frank...what about Frank? Claire already knows who the love of her life is, so let's not torture Frank any longer than necessary. This is Jamie and Claire's story. And the print shop awaits.

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  18. Loved your article, Janet. I would hope Ron Moore does the "reveal" of Loaghaire the same as the book does...AFTER the fact. I just read Voyager for first time. I loved how it always seemed like Jaime wanted to tell Claire something when she first came back and Ian, wee Ian, Fergus, (Mr. Willoghby calling Claire "first wife") upon discovering her would all start to say "but what about???" and Jaime would stop them because he hadn't time to think through how he would tell her. The clues were there, but we didn't know exactly what was happening.

    I can't imagine how RDM would want to lose that by showing the marriage ahead of time. I was so shocked when Marsali and L walked in on Jaime and Claire at Lallybroch. To change it would take the whole element of surprise away. Jaime telling Claire later how it all came about would be enough as he did in the book and the book version would be great for TV. If done that way, there would be no need to see their marriage or life together. I don't feel we need to see the wedding either (unless when Jenny tells her part of seeing Claire between Jaime and Loaghaire at their wedding there is a quick visual flashback, but that's it).

    I think the book is so good there is no need for the show to make up anything new to embellish and they do have a lot of material to cover. Who cares about Loaghaire, it should only be 15 minutes from start to finish with her. Let's hope. :)


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    1. Renee
      I totally agree that the book did this well. I fully understand that TV is a different medium and that there are only 13 episodes to depict this entire long book and that choices have to be made for TV....but I really do think that the way DG revealed this marriage is the way to do it. I hope RDM pays attention. Unlike Dragonfly in Amber, which was a trickier book to convey, this book is more linear and I hope they follow DG's path more than they did in season 2.

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  19. I was hoping that the J and C reunion would happen right away and that the rest of the stories of their time apart would be told in flashback.

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    1. I would love to see their reunion right away too....but it's not likely that's the way it will go. I think we're going to see a lot of the future before we get back to the past :(

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  20. Spoilers abound in my comments.
    If you recall, Jamie did attempt intimacy with Laoghaire but she couldn't/wouldn't respond. My take from the books was that Laoghaire knew he would never love her and was she always aware of Claire's presence. In later books, Jamie intimates that he tried and when it didn't work, he sort of used her as a release. He couldn't live with himself that way, or her, and left. I think Ron is going to make the viewers aware of this.
    As for Geneva, I have no problem with them showing them together. However, I hope they don't show him using force after she changes her mind. Apparently, Poldark had a rape scene that they changed to consensual and the viewers responded with approval. I hope Outlander does the same.
    I kind of enjoyed Mr. Willoughby. But I think I'm in the minority on this.
    Ah, Frank. I agree that it's important to the story arc what Claire experienced, but I, too, fear that there will be a little too much Claire & Frank. If Tobias Menzies were not such an awesome actor, we probably wouldn't have this problem. ;)

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    1. I'm with you on the Geneva thing, although I didn't mind it in the book. I think seeing it on screen would be different and that it would create a side story that we don't need. The bottom line is Jamie is blackmailed by her to have this encounter and a son is the result. That's what really counts for the plot I think.

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  21. omg - I just read Tara's idea about Laoghaire in the cave! I never thought of that. It would make sense, given Jamie's sense of honor, that he would marry her later out of a sense of duty. But, wouldn't she have been married and starting a family during that time? Just mulling this over.

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    1. Caliowa I think you're right that the timing wouldn't work. She would already be married...although as I type this, maybe they would make it that she was already split from her abusive husband? (I forget if he dies or just up and disappears). No THAT timing thought makes me nervous :)

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