Out of Faith: Fan uproar over an extended scene

Written By: Holly Richter-White
(screenwriter)




So, a clandestine un-aired extended version of Season 2 EP. 7 "Faith", written by Toni Graphia was released into the fandom ahead of the DVD release. I saw it when it was retweeted by episode’s director Metin Huseyin, with immense praise for Sam. And then Diana got involved, as how could anyone seriously not love that performance. And from it all, fans cried foul. “Why was it cut?” This scene was perfect! We NEEDED this!”

After seeing Season One’s edits, and discussing their rationale, irate book-fans mostly understood what was necessary for adaptation to a visual medium. These cuts made sense.

But this time, this particular edit bleeds particularly deep among fans- both book but now, also TV-only fans. And of course, some fans went all personal in their criticism, which really wasn’t constructive. Thankfully, there were more than enough fans with respectful critique.

Like many of you, I've re-watched almost every Outlander episode more times than I can count. "Almost every" means that, like many of you, that list excludes three episodes- Wentworth and To Ransom a Man's Soul from Season One, and Faith from Season Two. These episodes are heart-wrenching and thus hard to watch, yet amazing and award-worthy for their acting, treatment of issues, and story editing.

Well, perhaps exception lies in "Faith" - the scene in the apartment after Jamie returns from the Bastille. But unlike most book-fans, I’m not looking for a re-telling of the books, verbatim, I am looking for character development and emotional connection.

In May, everyone loved the aired Faith episode. But also immediately there were rumblings- two of them really, and they both had to do with Jamie.





First, his beard was hideous and for some fans incredibly distracting. Second, many fans felt Jamie cared more about returning to Scotland…

JAMIE
(cries and stomps feet)
I want to go home, Claire!

…than he did his own wife or first born daughter. And now, after viewing un-aired version, I realize they both could have been better resolved during editing.

First, the beard. It almost felt gratuitous, like a "tada!" reveal after Jamie first spoke. Woah! It sounds like Jamie, and kinda looks like Jamie. Isit Jamie? But in the un-aired version you see him before he speaks – you understand just by looking at him, even if it’s just for a few precious seconds, what’s happened to him before he has to utter a word. When he does speak, you can get past “the beard” and focus on performance.

In the aired version, Jamie does pretty well supporting Claire and helps guide her through grieving. But there’s no contest, in the non-aired version, he leaves his heart on the floor, letting us understand he was emotionally invested in this child too. Claire was weak, then strong, now weakened again- the rollercoaster of enduring this loss and grief alone at first, then together with Jamie.



In this last scene, she needed Jamie to guide them back together when she saw no such outcome herself. Not merely just “carrying it together” or going back “to Scotland”, Jamie, as husband and Faith’s father, needed to show the effect on him and remind Claire why and how they are committed to each other. That is what was missing from the aired version. When you consider in context, the emotional connection which was promised but was not delivered when they returned to Lallybroch (EP. 8), this extended scene was exactly what was needed.





What would have worked better: The episode already came in at over 63 minutes, long over the usual and allowable length of 56 minutes, so fan appreciation is definitely in order. However by utilizing the non-aired version almost fully, and instead editing the scene at Faith’s gravesite, down to Claire reaching her one hand out to Jamie and then the other hand placed on the grave stone, it would have accomplished the emotional arc that was necessary for the two characters - a mother and a father - in this episode.

I am a huge fan of Ron D. Moore. He gets almost everything right, almost all of the time, and for that I am so grateful. But as he begins the edits for Season Three, I hope he takes into account the total range of emotional connection between Claire and Jamie. It is the cornerstone of the books, and must be that for a successful TV series. While the Outlander story is centred on a strong and wise female protagonist and the world that revolves around her, Claire still needs to play off not only the failings but the strengths of Jamie.

I have often wondered whether Season 2 was too much to task. I think Ron’s involvement was substantially reduced, even during editing, and the roles of the Producers shot way up, on a project (Dragonfly in Amber) that was by far, the hardest to adapt in the Outlander series. Too few took on too much. I look forward to hearing Ron’s commentary and plausible explanation for his editing choice on the DVD (due out Nov.1 so get your orders in!) No doubt, there will be stirrings over anything cut during this contentious season (ie: hand scene).

Season 3 should be appreciably better. With four writers hired, producers can focus better on their roles. They’ll probably be better able to stick to the version that was story-boarded and written- something Season 2 didn’t do as well.

Short of that, there’s some pretty amazing fans who understand what it takes to adapt the story (and I’m not self-serving - there are other fans I would select), so Outlander could always use them as a focus group before finalizing their edits. Just saying.

Do you agree with the final edit of the Faith episode or do you think we needed the extended scene? What are your sacred cows in Voyager (without getting too spoilery)?

60 comments

  1. I'm in total agreement with this article. Season Two was disappointing in many ways, and this particular scene edit is a perfect example. Jamie and Claire were more like business partners than lovers this season.

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  2. I'm in total agreement with this article. Season Two was disappointing in many ways, and this particular scene edit is a perfect example. Jamie and Claire were more like business partners than lovers this season.

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  3. This was not an "edit" it was BUTCHERY. It was absolutely INEXCUSABLE in my view. Viewers could have done with fewer minutes of snake-slithering in the star chamber - and kept the entirety of this scene the way Sam Heughan performed it so magnificently. It was one of the most important bonding moments in all of season 2- and they cut almost all of Jamie's most important words. If I were Sam Heughan I would quit the show.
    RDM has completely undermined him, cutting or not even filming his most important lines and scenes. RDM has turned Jamie into a supporting role rather than a leading man. A sidekick for Claire rather than a key character in his own right. It's an outrage - and its ruining the show.
    Season 1 was a masterpiece, Season 2 was a total dud, really awful. Jamie/Claire bonding was sacrificed in order to make time for pointless political intrigues.
    Every edit is a choice - and in season 2 they made all the wrong choices, and ruined the show.

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    1. I agree. Sam has not been allowed to shine, and there were scenes that could have been deleted (hot chocolate on the sofa with the king?)to show us this pivotal exchange between Jamie and Claire. I wondered, when I watched it, why Jamie wasn't more upset about losing Faith. Now I know he was - we just didn't see it.

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  4. They always have enough time for rapes and violence - but they don't have enough time to include important bonding moments between Jamie &Claire. It's as if the producers of this show don't have a clue what the fans actually care about- or they don't give a damn what the fans care about.

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    1. Preach it, girl! We had to see the full Fergus assault at the expense of this scene? Ridiculous.

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  5. For me Faith was by far the best episode of both Season 1 and 2. Even after seeing that extended scene I still feel that way BUT I do believe that extended scene should have been included. It would have given you a little more of that glue that made Jamie and Claire one in this marriage. That if they could come thought the devastation of losing a baby, that they could overcome anything together.

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  6. Thank you for this perspective. I know, as a fan, I get caught up from a book reader/viewer's perspective, details included. You brought out some wonderful points, and the extended scene showed me the loving, compassionate, devastated Jamie I knew was there, somewhere.

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  7. I would not blame Ron & creators saying enough criticism I didn't sign up for this and making season 4 the last. Transferring books to TV is difficult enough never mind fans making a fuss. If you have real problems with what the creators have done then don't watch TV & reread the books. For myself I am just happy to have Ron take on the project to make it a series. He has done a terrific job to ensure the sexual relationship is not the common gratuitous "stuff" but has integrity which other producers may not have done. I continue to support Ron & Trust that he will do his best on OL & continue to do so beyond season 4.

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    1. They're entitled to their artistic interpretation and we're entitled to our opinion on their artistic interpretation. It's also respectful critique, not criticism.

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  8. I thought Faith was just about the best hour of TV I have ever seen...and that experience isn't diminished in hindsight because some remarkable footage has now been "gifted" to the fans. Yes, If I had me way I would have deleted the credits to make room for it (just kidding), but this is a TV show folks, not the Ten Commandments. At the end of the day, what else will you watch that gives you half the pleasure?

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    1. That scene felt "off" from first viewing, while the rest of the episode was amazing.

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  9. "I didn't sign up for this and making season 4 the last". Did I miss something? Are there really only 2 more seasons of Outlander?
    As for Faith, I am in complete agreement. That deleted scene would have made the episode so much better. Especially when we hear Claire's voice over in the beginning of the next episode when she says they returned home to heal. We would have known the true depth of the pain felt by both Jamie and Claire. I wonder why the writers and producers didn't fight harder for this scene to be kept in the episode.

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    1. Exactly. The script, while the best of the bunch, was way too long, and at one point INCLUDED the return to Lallybroch. They rightfully cut that part but made it into a story that was not part of the original storyboard then.... things gets lost when you do that.

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    2. So much time wasted in S2 at the expense of the relationship. I have never re-watched any of season 2 bc it was just too upsetting for me. Not bc of the story but lack of. I know I am way too invested in two people who are not real but with that said I could not watch how Jamie was distancing himself from Claire and snarky with her. So out of character it was too upsetting for me. I stopped watching and went back to the books. I will tune in again for S3 hoping it's better. Until then there's the books and S1 on DVD.

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  10. Thanks! This is a really good article. I like your optimism that there are reasons the show producers may do better with Voyager. There were many small places to cut, in order to include this segment of Faith which is SO WELL ACTED. I take exception to your fine article, but only on the following point: "But unlike most book-fans, I’m not looking for a re-telling of the books, verbatim, I am looking for character development and emotional connection." I suspect there are a lot of us 'book reading fans" who are happy with the translations to the dif. medium of video. I was fine, for instance w the big change of opening Season Two with 1948. I have been fine w many other changes. However, the ruination of the closing of Season II by not having the cottage good bye scene, and the cutting of initials, was not forgivable - it is too easy to imagine how they could filmed that - (no new sets, no particular expense). This cut of Faith would have improved things. And others have commented on the change in viewpoints that portrayed Jamie as weakened, and in a child-like relationship to Claire as She plotted how to infiltrate the Jacobites in France in the 1st two episodes - referred to above as the "business partners" aspect. But thanks, your article is fine.

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    1. Remember when Claire returns with Fergus from the hospital to her apartment, and all of the servants are there to greet her? This scene went on almost in slow motion; I thought at the time that this was overdone; yes, we know how difficult this is for Claire to return home without her sweet baby, and with her husband in the Bastille. But that scene could have been shortened and would have been even more effective, AND those few minutes would have been more than enough for the full content of Jamie returning home and sharing his grief over the loss of Faith with his wife. Having said all of that, I'm not a writer, director or show runner and I appreciate how difficult it is to create an adaptation of these exceptional Outlander books. I respect what Ron and others do. However, I hope they give Sam Heughan in the future the space he needs to shine because he has developed this marvelous character of Jamie Fraser and his love for his dear wife and mother of his children - Claire.

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    2. Linda Smith, I couldn't agree more. I feel the whole Outlander experience is magnificent, not trying to criticize anyone, but on this issue the fans are right.

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    3. I do think that key scenes from the book are required, but delivered in a way that not gimmicky drama. I just saw the deleted hand scene (which I did call above, btw) and realized that both it, and the honeypot scene, were transitioned from emotional and funny to traumatic. I think you can tell from the hand scene that it led into the scene where Jamie had the dream he stabbed BJR. Same scenes, just completely different tone and therefore good? Or not?

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  11. Thank You for this great article,I would have liked the extended scene on,as it was much more real,when you lose a child its nearly the end of the world & parents have to come together as it was in the extended scene,to be able to move on.
    I'm so happy at the moment as we in OZ now have OL season 1.on free to air SBS TV on every Thrusday night WOO HOO!Not that I haven't got the dvd,but this is great!

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    1. Aussie's are a HUGE and GROWING fan base. I saw it on Google Trends.

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  12. They make time to wave dildoes around and show 5 whole minutes of the king shitting - but they have to cut the most important emotional scenes of the entire Outlander saga. It's OUTRAGEOUS! I'm not a book fan- I'm not bothered when they don't follow the book precisely. But, in Season 1 they created a truly epic love story. In Season 2 they destroyed their own creation- they ditched the love story to focus on other things. They were lucky enough to cast two actors who have the most intense on-screen chemistry in the history of film. Then in Season 2 they randomly decided not to show that intensity or connection. As I said, they created a masterpiece in season 1, then ruined their masterpiece in season 2. Sadly I don't trust the producers any more-i dont have high hopes for season 3 - we'll probably get tons of unnecessary Frank time,they'll continue to emasculate or minimize the character of Jamie, and Claire will be the kick - ass female superhero.

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    1. Londoner, I just wanted to say how much I agree with you.

      I do not rewatch S2 and will not buy the DVDs.

      S2 was just too disappointing to me.

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    2. OMG Londoner, you are hilarious and very accurate. I think S2 was a case of where you release the reigns only to discover they're not ready. The quick hire of new writers was perhaps the best move yet. Well, except that the call-out didn't come to fans. I may have a spec script lying around. Just sayin'

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    3. Holly!! Please send your spec script! (Not kidding-it couldn't be any worse than the drivel they came up with in season 2).
      But generally, they dropped the ball in season 2, were sloppy with the editing, writing, and even casting - they just didn't show the care and attention shown in season 1.
      They aired the first episodes with incorrect date stamps (1745);they repeatedly used the word "OK" which is a massive anachronism & Americanism; they went directly from the world's most devasting argument to a foot - rubbing scene with no resolution of the argument; they didn't bother to show any healing sex scenes or intimacy after Faith; they butchered the final farewell scene into a two - minute quickie. They made a serious blunder in the casting of a short brunette brown-eyed actress to play Jamie's daughter - apparently Maril Davis got numerous tweets asking if she is the daughter of the king!!! (given that the last person we saw Claire actually having sex with was the King!).
      It's actually a catch-22 that the show is a hit: because it's a hit, RDM doesn't need to re-think his decisions or take criticism into account.
      But - whether it remains a hit will be interesting to see. I bought season1 dvds for over a dozen friends, who LOVED it, and all subscribed to Starz or AmazonUK to watch season 2. They ALL disliked season 2, and most of them didn't bother to finish watching season2- they dropped out in the middle. I may even drop out if season 3 continues in the same vein (I'd rather just re-watch season 1, and enjoy my good memories of that).

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    4. Wow!! Londoner I really agree with all said. I also understand the anger that is expressed over this from the fans. S2 paled in comparison to S1. S1 was truly beautiful up until the later parts that were too difficult for me to watch but parts I did were heartbreaking bc of the acting from all involved. For me, it is still so sad to think how awful S2 became and how beautiful it was written. Sorry to say but it seemed like a showplace for Terry so much so that SHE won awards. Awful.

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  13. Just so looking forward season 3.but fervently hoping Sam will get more time on as he has succeeded in making Jamie Fraser truly his,the acting is just brilliant by Sam,but I felt at times RDM& the writing did not do him justice!

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  14. I wish it had been included. Season 2 was such a difficult series to watch, and I have only rewatched a couple of episodes because it was so, so dark. This scene, albeit difficult, offered hope and more of Jamie/Claire interaction, which was needed throughout the second season.

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  15. Yes, it should have been included. "Faith," was a gut wrenching episode and Caitriona was wonder. The end seemed something was missing. Jamie only seemed concerned about the gender of the child. The beard did not bother me. But, expected more from Jamie to draw the two back together. They both suffered this deep loss. The full version was needed to make that happen.

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    1. I think women should trust their intuition and mine was going crazy at that scene. Something was amiss. But no, did I listen to it at the time? I packed it away and said, "awesome episode". And it was, just not that small part of it.

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  16. For me what's upsetting is the fact that the scenes being cut are essential to insight into jamie and claire's relationship. They are what gives the story context and cohesiveness. I've read the books so I have more info but for tv only fans it takes away from the strength of the story and the actors. In my opinion it would've been an amazing season if they had split it in two and dedicated more time to the story. That book is filled with so much intense material, it needed more care. :(

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    1. Never considered two seasons from that book. Interesting perspective.

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    2. Very much so Christina, and the fact that he had already healed in the Abbey before they git to France..meant that many of these tender and humorous scenes were not written.I love the one where he returns drunk to the inn near th port, and is rambling about the colour of her whisky/sherry coloured eyes.

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  17. I can't even pretend to understand the trappings of bringing a story to life on tv but I do understand there are people involved in the process of Outlander that have as much heart for this story as any of the fans do and I trust them, explicitly. I trust them to be as dedicated to it as they are human about it- humans that sometimes make the wrong call. Maybe there is a solid reason for the cut, maybe not. If this was sheer oversight or a last minute rush to air date and haste caused him to be more on the lackadaisical side...well then, i forgive. i saw a post here that was ultimately removed- talking about how many fans were being downright cruel to RDM regarding this choice, and the possible repercussions of their banter being fan engagement cut way, way back---and THAT i can speak to from experience, albeit in a different scope. If I pour my soul into something that I ultimately get attacked for, then it's likely I'm going to stop doing it. When you reach a point of disheartenment it can cause you to question your task altogether IF-you don't choose to just stop altogether. And I would be crushed to think I played a role in that choice.
    The Roads of history are paved with the failures of man; laws have been made manifest by them. I'll take the bad with the good and keep watching because I believe in every single person involved. And I love and respect all my fellow fans. I am grateful to be able to take part in what I would call-THE most devoted fan base ever to exist. Truly, I am.

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    1. True. I don't think though, that you can be in this business without some seriously tough skin.

      I just sent off my 7th feature screenplay (already on its 11th edit) for notes from a trusted scriptwriter. He ripped it apart and then pieced it back together.

      That is critique. That is how I grow as a writer. Not by having my mom and close friends read my work and blow smoke up my.... Sure, my ego was bruised, but I was made a better writer for it.

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  18. DIA was a rough read,so I know it was a rough thing to produce for TV.My biggest gripe other than this edit of Faith,was we needed the few samples of connection between Jamie and Claire they gave us this season.They opted to minimize small embraces or gestures to give of that feel that our couple was trying to reconnect,and then Faith came along and it felt choppy and vague for Jamie.Why was Jamie even needed in the room with Claire(with her sitting in her chair like it was a throne)?All we had were long seconds of Claire in one form of facial grimace after another with Jamie just standing there like he was subservient and beaten down.The words I remember the most impacting on me in that scene was Claire telling Jamie she did hate him,not, it wasn't his fault or take me back home,but that she hated him.Then in the next scene ,they are kneeling at the grave and with a hand held fade away they are One again!Really!Did I miss something?I sure felt like I did.

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    1. In season 2, Claire had more time & intensity in scenes bonding with secondary characters than she did with Jamie (I. E. Long scenes with Murtagh, Mary, Louise, Hildegard, Raymond, Dougal etc- but almost no long scenes with Jamie). Very disappointing.

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    2. I have said the same thing Reva. Every time I voiced my opinion of needing more intimacy with J&C, more small moments, more touches I received the typical push back of if's not porn or go read the books.

      My first response is - was S1 porn? We saw them smile together, we saw them hold hands and look into each other's eyes, we saw them have conversations and yes, we saw them enjoy sex. And it was sex initiated by Jamie as well as Claire.

      My second response is, if I need to read the books then why on earth am I paying for Starz year round for one show on for 13 weeks once a year... and said show just frustrates me to no end? Why bother? And I won't if S3 follows the same path.

      Londoner, I said the same things about S2. Claire was kinder and had almost as much time with Murtaugh as she was and did with Jamie. And the way we just forgot all about the anger and tension from one week to the start of the next was jarring to say the least.

      Suffice to say if there are true book lovers in that crew and writers room, I can only say I am throughly disappointed in their portrayal of the books we love. For Maril to say the finale at the stones was just like the book is laughable. The throw down, 2 pump chump sex was not a night in a cabin and initials to remember forever. Just because they used a couple of book lines does not mean it's just like the book. I no longer trust them to show an adaption an I no not trust them to show Jamie as he was written.

      And yes I have heard all of RDMs excuses for cutting scenes. My response is why not cut or reduce some of the unnecessary, dead end story lines? As mentioned the king on the throne or half of the time at the Old Fox, dildos, BJR in the pub or beating the stuffing out of dead Alex.

      My feeling is this is a deliberate attempt to diminish Sam/Jamie's character and impact in the show and turn it into a feminist super woman saves the day agenda.

      There is nothing wrong with a show with that agenda, but that is not the story I found in Diana's books.

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  19. We've lamented the lack of both emotional and physical intimacy between Jamie and Claire throughout S2. Now we know that a good part of it was left on the cutting room floor. It's cold comfort to know it was there all along, sacrificed in the adaptation of this huge, roiling, second novel. A large task, as you say--large enough to lose its way. Was the gatekeeper of the heart of this story RDM, the network, or a combination of the two? I adore this adaptation overall, but just as the novel DiA was a painful interlude for me as a reader, so were some parts of this season. Keep the faith, Ron.

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  20. Aussies yeah!! 😊 Great article Holly, so good to have a calm and respectful discussion of this. Lots of us feel sad about it. Voyager sacred cows? Print shop of course ..... And turtle soup!! 😉😉😉😉

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  21. Well written article and I appreciate the calm,level-headed thoughts. I agree that other scenes could have been cut to allow not only the emotional depth of their situation to be laid to bare, but to allow Sam to shine as something other than the warrior with a heart of gold (along with all of Jamie's other qualities).
    I also think there could be less time spent on some of the other scenes to allow room for something like this.
    That said, I don't envy the decision making process involved. Hindsight is almost always 20/20.

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  22. I understand the complexity of adapting a complex book such as DIA. However, I felt from the first episide a loss of intimacy between Claire and Jamie. I realize the story was different and Jamie needed time to recover from the rape. However, the love between them the passion, just wasn't there throughout the entire Season 2, in my opinion. I realize it's Claire's view point, but, I never felt Jamie was allowed to fully express his love for Claire, his pain, his worry, his desire, the conversation that leads them back as a couple in love, i felt, never fully took place. So many beautiful things Jamie said to Claire in Book 2, I was so hoping to find in the series. Those beautiful heart wrenching words of Jamie's bring the love they share to the forefront. It seemed they really tried to stay close to the book in Season 1, I felt their love and passion for each other. I just never felt it in Season 2, even the Faith episode, I felt Jamie was jipped of his time of mourning before I saw the extended verison. I still love the series and have high hopes for the passion and intimacy along with their fierce arguments and all of the exotic places they'll go. I think Sam and Caitriona are amazing talents and know their characers well. I'm in awe of the entire production and I will love Outlander books and tv series always. This is just my humble opinion and I'm not blaming anyone.

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  23. I understand the complexity of adapting a complex book such as DIA. However, I felt from the first episide a loss of intimacy between Claire and Jamie. I realize the story was different and Jamie needed time to recover from the rape. However, the love between them the passion, just wasn't there throughout the entire Season 2, in my opinion. I realize it's Claire's view point, but, I never felt Jamie was allowed to fully express his love for Claire, his pain, his worry, his desire, the conversation that leads them back as a couple in love, i felt, never fully took place. So many beautiful things Jamie said to Claire in Book 2, I was so hoping to find in the series. Those beautiful heart wrenching words of Jamie's bring the love they share to the forefront. It seemed they really tried to stay close to the book in Season 1, I felt their love and passion for each other. I just never felt it in Season 2, even the Faith episode, I felt Jamie was jipped of his time of mourning before I saw the extended verison. I still love the series and have high hopes for the passion and intimacy along with their fierce arguments and all of the exotic places they'll go. I think Sam and Caitriona are amazing talents and know their characers well. I'm in awe of the entire production and I will love Outlander books and tv series always. This is just my humble opinion and I'm not blaming anyone.

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  24. this is clearly a case of different strokes for different folks! i saw the beard as symbol of distance - in time and emotional connection - since the stillbirth of faith. i saw the added footage in the deleted segment as a bit melodramatic and compromising of the emotional impact of the filmed version. sometimes less is more.

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    1. Ingeborg, the beard is a great visual for showing the passage of time... but it was the WAY it was edited in. It is a huge fuzzy piece that almost shocked fans because of its unkemptness, which we saw only after Jamie spoke.

      As for emotional connection, what I loved about the unaired performance was that it wasn't the stereotypical male response to "woman problems" or "motherhood issues". That it seemed like Jamie felt it fulsomely, a close approximation to what Claire did. The aired version, I felt, did not offer that (saying not one iota, not one bit is melodramatic so I won't.) In this case, I believe less was just less.

      A few other reporters picked this theme up too, at the time of airing, just not the ones that pander to "fan views" and no doubt, some publications write for Outlander fans exactly because we are a huge $$ boost.

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  25. The extended scene was nice but I'm not sure if it was entirely necessary to get the point across. TV involves pacing and monologues tend to stop forward motion. As beautiful a performance as it was, I think they left in the necessary bits. Sitting in the editor's chair is never easy, particularly now with fans second guessing you at every turn. Starz was generous in letting the episode run 8 minutes over. Sure, in a perfect world, things would go exactly as they do in my imagination but I have worked in this industry too damn long and know all the pressures and long odds of things working out. That the show has been this good is a credit to the hard work and devotion to the written material that the entire production dedicates itself.

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  26. Hold on here. I remember Ron saying that this episode "FAITH" needed more time and he went to STARZ about additional air time. STARZ agreed and approved the additional time. But then, some re-editing was done and Ron went back to STARZ and said that the timing had been worked out and the episode would run its usual length. Now, we know why he originally requested additional air time. But in the final episode, Season 2 Finale, Ron again went to STARZ and requested an additional 30 minutes and STARZ again approved the time. Doesn't anyone else remember that conversation.

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  28. Ron Moore would rather show whores waving dildos around, than an in-depth scene of Jamie mourning his dead child: that is the problem of Season2 in a nutshell.

    Outlander is the biggest show on Starz, they do allow him to make episodes longer if necessary.
    His decisions to cut things are NOT for lack of time, they're just his personal preferences.

    And for some bizarre reason- his personal preference is to minimize Jamie's role; as well as to minimize the emotional intimacy and intensity between Jamie and Claire. (MASSIVE mistakes in my view).

    He emphasizes peripheral story lines &action scenes rather than the main character development or intimacy. (Remember that ridiculous slapstick fight scene after the Paris dinner party- it was total rubbish and the kind of thing Ron likes to include. The dildo scene was also unnecessary rubbish in my view. Generally, in season 2, Claire has longer scenes with peripheral characters than she does with Jamie).

    Ron has said many times that the show is not a democracy - he is the boss, he makes the final decisions, and he does the final edit. He has also said he doesn't care what fans want - he makes the show as he wants it to be.

    I don't think Ron truly understands the most important aspect of the story(the epic bond between Jamie & Claire), or what the fans want, and I don't think he actually cares. He does what he wants and that's it.

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  29. We all have a right to be critical, or not. I'm more in the "not" category. There were a couple things I wish were done differently and expressed those in the comment section of other essays, but for the most part I think Season 2 was pretty good and I enjoyed it.

    I will agree with one criticism expressed here - I didn't like the beard. Although maybe because it looked like he hadn't bathed in several months may have had something to do with it - but the whole beard thing wasn't a good look.

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    1. I agree about the beard. It actually destroyed that whole scene for me, with or without that deleted scene. I get it, he came directly from the prison, but that beard......ruined Sam's performance.

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    2. The beard did ruin the scene- it was outrageously fake looking and distracting- it looked liked they'd glued poodle fur to Sam's face. I'd read a comment something like "it looked like they spent a million dollars on Claire's dress, and $1.99 on Sam's fake beard" The problem with season 2 in a nutshell- a lack of care (particularly for the character of Jamie). They just didn't seem to put the same perfectionism into Season 2 that they did in Season 1.

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  30. I am a huge fan of Rons but I do agree the deleted scene was a mistake. There was always something lacking and know we know what would've made it more real and from Jamies heart

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  31. Interesting how much of an uproar it has caused to release this clip. I have always said I didn't feel Jaime's part at the end of Faith was anywhere near enough. In the book the big reunion really showed Jaime's feelings of how bad he felt and how he tried to comfort Claire. The extra clip would have been great to help convey that even if they had to carry it over to the next episode. For the aired version I had to rewind the end several times to hear what he said. It seemed mumbled and felt thrown in.

    In season 1 they did a fabulous job of conveying this relationship and story (even being slightly different than the book) all while keeping it interesting, adventurous and flowing perfectly.

    I had not ever read the book before I watched season 1. I loved it on its own, not ever realizing then there was a book. Then when season 2 came along I wondered what happened. I almost felt like the original directors, writers, producers, editors left the show. I wondered why the second season wasn't as good. I found out about the book and read it just before Faith aired. The first 4 episodes of the second season felt like it was played out too long and the rest felt rushed. I also felt they tried to spotlight Claire at the expense of Jaime too.

    Just a side note, right after this clip was released, I saw one of the editors say on twitter they only have about 4 DAYS to edit an episode with the usual for other shows to edit being 3 WEEKS. Perhaps that plays a part in it? Many times I had heard they filmed this or that scene and it didn't make it to screen.

    I want to see the show succeed. This is the best cast of actors. If the show can continue on as they did in season 1 to make it successful, I will be the first one to compliment. It would be great to have the show be even better than the books. I don't know if its possible, but there were a couple things that happened in Voyager that I wouldn't mind seeing the show change...toward the end in the Indies but that's another conversation altogether. Otherwise, I loved Voyager and I hope they can adapt it to something we love and make me watch it over and over like I did in season 1. I do hope they can bring back the magic. Diana's books are so amazing and I would love to see them all adapted to TV and with a little tweaking of the show and if they get back whatever they did in season 1 I think they can do it.

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